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1 posted on 11/23/2001 9:21:37 PM PST by ouroboros
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2 posted on 11/23/2001 9:23:32 PM PST by ouroboros
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You will be watched.
3 posted on 11/23/2001 9:24:55 PM PST by junta
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To: ouroboros
"May I advocate the violent restoration of the Constitution?"

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An interesting turn of phrase. However, I don't believe present courts would recognize it. Unfortunately.

4 posted on 11/23/2001 9:28:24 PM PST by RLK
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To: ouroboros
Go back to DU! We don't need this commie demoRAT crap here!!! Don't you know we're at war? Why are you so concerned with rights? Got something to hide?

Oh, and thanks.

5 posted on 11/23/2001 9:30:50 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: ouroboros
I'll always remember that moment in the presidential debates when Al Gore asserted that if we took the Constitution at its word, we'd have to treat each black as only three fifths of a person. It was an appalling display of constitutional ignorance by a man who would be our nation's leader.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court knows more about the Constitution, and that's why Al Gore is not our nation's leader.

8 posted on 11/23/2001 9:50:32 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: ouroboros
BUMP for a re-Constitutionalized federal government.
10 posted on 11/23/2001 9:56:45 PM PST by aruanan
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But today We the People wait for the government – often meaning five members of the U.S. Supreme Court – to decide what the Constitution is going to mean. After all, they’re the experts. We the People are only ... people.

That's the whole idea of the SC. The Founding Fathers (I sadly admit) are the equivalent of today's Left. They thought men of Reason would occupy those offices - having attained those positions through citizens of Reason.

Who ever said "the Great Experiment" would be a success in the long run?

12 posted on 11/23/2001 10:04:32 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: ouroboros
Anybody who hasn't resorted to political violence yet is a moderate, so Joe's right in there with the rest of us. I do wish Sobran would drop the Utopianism from time to time and look more closely at the world as it is, rather than as it ought to be. He was very good at that once. Maybe you have to subscribe to the newsletter to get that now. The problem is that utopians want all-or-nothing. Being unable to get everything, they end up with nothing.

Although Joe does have a point. Looking up information on strict construction of the Constitution, I found this in the college syllabus of a course for law enforcement officers.

Course objectives:

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4. To develop an attitude in the students of creative, innovative legal construction, as opposed to an inflexible, strict constructionist view of constitutional law.

Madison and Jefferson may have really had to wrestle with constitutional interpretation, but I'm not sure I want the cops practicing "creative, innovative legal construction."

13 posted on 11/23/2001 10:26:48 PM PST by x
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Go JOE. Bump
15 posted on 11/23/2001 10:45:35 PM PST by Piasa Bird
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[Excerpt] If others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as a "vanguard." You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite, whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the promised horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the vanguard of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a social redeemer. To feel anointed. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in their wake. That is why they don't care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than all the injustices they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their "mistakes." That is why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth. ……………

……But you never had the honesty-then or now-to admit that. You told the lie then to maintain your influence and increase your power to do good (as only the Chosen can). And you keep on telling the lie for the same reason.

Why would you admit that, despite your tactical support for civil rights, you weren't really committed to civil rights as Americans understand rights? What you really wanted was to overthrow the very Constitution that guaranteed those rights, based as it is on private property and the individual-both of which you despise.

It is because America is a democracy and the people endorse it, that the left's anti-American, but "progressive" agendas can only be achieved by deceiving the people. This is the cross the left has to bear: The better world is only achievable by lying to the very people they propose to redeem.[End Excerpt]
Excerpted from: Hillary and the Radical Left---Author: David Horowitz

18 posted on 11/24/2001 1:21:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"the Constitution as a tolerable compromise. "

OB, I would say "more perfect" compromise. There is NO form of government available that better gives US equal protection from the rabid anarchists, and the rabid socialists, of which few at either end WOULD govern ALL to "their" "standards". "The More Perfect Compromise". Peace and love, George.

24 posted on 11/24/2001 3:59:54 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: ouroboros
"May I advocate the violent restoration of the Constitution?"

The Constitution will be restored...by peaceful means if possible.

If peaceful means don't work...well there is always the lesson of 1776.

redrock

25 posted on 11/24/2001 4:48:56 AM PST by redrock
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To: ouroboros
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32 posted on 11/24/2001 7:11:36 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: ouroboros
The mention of that great patriot, Patrick Henry, brings the following quote to mind:

"Such a government is incompatible with the genius of republicanism. There will be no checks, no real balances, in this government. What can avail your specious, imaginary balances, your rope-dancing, chain-rattling, ridiculous ideal checks and contrivances?...It is on a supposition that your American governors shall be honest that all the good qualities of this government are founded; but its defective and imperfect construction puts it in their power to perpetrate the worst of mischiefs should they be bad men; and, sir, would not all the world blame our distracted folly in resting our rights upon the contingency of our rulers being good or bad? Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men without a consequent loss of liberty! I say that the loss of that dearest privilege has ever followed, with absolute certainty, every such mad attempt."
Speaking against the adoption of the Constitution,Virginia Convention, June 5, 1788

Most prophetic! Personally, I'm with Sobran, Ron Paul and P. Henry.

Brigadier

33 posted on 11/24/2001 7:50:54 AM PST by Brigadier
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BTTT
39 posted on 11/24/2001 11:29:43 AM PST by Marianne
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To: ouroboros
This is one cause I would gladly fight and die for. There is nothing better than REAL freedom, and we are losing it incrementally, though most people do not realize it.

No one is ever going to give us freedom. Our Founding Fathers fought to get it, and "we the people" will have to fight to keep it. The government is at odds with the Constitution. The government is NOT the Constitution. The government is a cancer and it is only "the people" who make our 3 branches of government adhere to the Constitution's principles and law, that will slow or reverse the loss of freedom.

54 posted on 11/24/2001 4:56:12 PM PST by BillofRights
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To: ouroboros
This is the familiar idea that the Constitution is a "living document," which is to say, a dead letter. How can it be "living" if it’s mere putty in the hands of the powerful? Really living things resist manipulation.

"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

I think it is "we the people" who must realize that the Constitution is and will remain dead unless WE give it renewed life. It will only become a "living document" again if WE give it life.

64 posted on 11/24/2001 8:42:41 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: ouroboros
BUMP to two true conservatives - Joseph Sobran and Congressman Ron Paul - men who oppose Big Government under all circumstances (not selectively, like many FReepers are wont to do).
73 posted on 11/26/2001 6:35:46 AM PST by VoodooEconomist
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Just read this. Thanks for posting this 99% great Sobran article, and here's to the violent restoration of the U.S. Constitution.
74 posted on 12/14/2001 8:11:56 PM PST by SEA
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