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Arm the Afghan Women
FOX NEWS ^ | Tuesday, November 20, 2001 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 11/20/2001 10:39:31 PM PST by ouroboros

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is commonplace to assume that toppling the Taliban will free Afghan women. But in an unstable country where soldiers celebrate conquest by raping, women have to protect themselves to remain free. Afghan women need to exercise the right of self-defense, including gun ownership.


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To: susangirl
Are we discussing the article or any subject on the web? Please stay on this subject.
21 posted on 11/21/2001 10:12:31 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Please stay on this subject

I am. The subject of your overly-simplified comments concerning this article. I really don't want to argue with you, but the reality for these women is not as simple as you would have it seem.

22 posted on 11/21/2001 10:30:37 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
And the men?

The article is about the Afghan women, not the Afghan men.

It would have required the cooperation of men, but if this women was educated in fighting the Russians what stopped her when the Taliban came to power?

If there is such a thing as a Radical Muslim and a Moderate Muslim, what kept the Radicals from becoming victims of the Moderates instead of the other way around?

23 posted on 11/21/2001 10:48:11 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
It would have required the cooperation of men

Exactly my point. And I'll repeat, I was making observations on your comment in comparison to reality, not the article alone.

but if this women was educated in fighting the Russians what stopped her when the Taliban came to power?

Overpowered? Out numbered? Concern for family? Many things could have played a factor. We all have instincts to survive. Sometimes we have to wait to gain the power to break free under more favorable circumstances.

Oh, and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

24 posted on 11/21/2001 10:58:02 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
"Oh, and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours."

Thanksgiving is never a 'happy' time for the turkey. ;^)

25 posted on 11/21/2001 1:19:38 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: AnnaZ; HangFire; Lady Jenn; Kithlyara; feinswinesuksass; abigail2; AnneJustice4all; miss print...
BBTTT!!!
26 posted on 11/21/2001 1:53:29 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
Big red-headed-wonder-banana bump.
27 posted on 11/21/2001 2:21:14 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Mercuria
Best idea I have heard of all day.

5.56mm

28 posted on 11/21/2001 2:26:03 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Mercuria
I hope they shoot better than they look. Seriously - good article.


29 posted on 11/21/2001 2:27:04 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: susangirl
Don't waste your time. Lot's of people on FR seem to think a firearm is a magical talisman that automatically prevents evil from happening to you or your family.

The reality, of course, is that a gun is merely a tool, with limited effectiveness. Sometimes all the use of a weapon in self defense can do is to get you killed. After all, look how well their guns protected the Davidians at Waco.

If overwhelming military force is controlled by your enemies, all fighting back will get you is dead. A case can certainly be made that it is better to die as a free man (or woman) than to live as a slave. But those making such a choice should be under no illusions that this is exactly the choice they are making.

30 posted on 11/21/2001 2:32:59 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Not if you are sneaky.
31 posted on 11/21/2001 2:53:26 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Mercuria
bump
32 posted on 11/21/2001 2:53:57 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Good point. Has anybody ever invented a better garment for those smuggling weapons, or anything else, than the burqa?
33 posted on 11/21/2001 2:55:49 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Don't waste your time. Lot's of people on FR seem to think a firearm is a magical talisman that automatically prevents evil from happening to you or your family.

I remember this argument, and it is a good one. But in THIS situation I think that, were the majority of women given weapons there would be a completely different scenario over there. It would not be a group holed up in a compound fighting against a powerful government with huge, advanced, militarized agencies at their disposal.

In some situations I agree completely with your point, but not in all.

I am wasting my time. But more, I think, because there is so little chance of what this article proposes happening.

34 posted on 11/21/2001 2:59:07 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: headsonpikes
LOL!
35 posted on 11/21/2001 3:00:26 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
Agreed.
36 posted on 11/21/2001 3:10:39 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Mercuria
All women should be armed !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

37 posted on 11/21/2001 3:23:28 PM PST by blackie
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To: Restorer
No kidding, I could get alot done wearing one of those.
38 posted on 11/21/2001 3:37:58 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; Mercuria
George, the only problem with this is that the U.N. is going to be in on the "new" government of Afghan. That means NO GUN OWNERSHIP!! The people will be stripped of any gun ownership - PERIOD. Thus, all men and women will be "safe", except for the criminals who will still have firearms. Arming the women won't make any sense, as long as the UN is involved in setting up the "new" gov't. This is just the beginning of the NWO.
39 posted on 11/21/2001 4:08:16 PM PST by miss print
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To: ouroboros
In 1940, the National Rifle Association organized a program that allowed members to donate firearms to the British people so that they could defend against a Nazi invsaion (the British had disarmed their subjects so they were defenseless.) It would be cool to organize something similar for the Afghan Women. Kinda like "Toys for Tots" or something.
40 posted on 11/21/2001 5:34:44 PM PST by Liberty Ship
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