Posted on 11/13/2001 5:57:06 AM PST by Axion
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Investigators examining one of the separated engines from American Airlines Flight 587 found foreign debris inside, indicating that the engine may have ingested a flock of birds and then caught on fire.
The engine burned internally, people close to the investigation said. But its parts appeared intact, except for the damage from what is known in aviation as ``foreign object debris,'' or ``FOD.'' That would suggest that the engine didn't suffer a catastrophic failure from some mechanical breakdown, but from sucking in birds, these people said.
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That must have been one heck of a big bird. Maybe a radioactive mutant bird from Mars. Or a previously-thought to-be-extinct Pterodactyl, 100 feet across.
Oh! Oh! I got it! Airport security was so tight that the Tally-bunnies couldn't smuggle any bombs on board, so they strapped plastique to specially trained geese, and had them attack the plane on take-off. Kind of like Day of the Dolphin, only with birds instead. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Because the tail section fell off first.
Catastrophic failure of the engine turbine could occur if the ingested birds are large enough. The odds of both engines failing through bird ingestion? Could happen.
Where did you read this?
Interesting site.
Well, they ran into problems with the DEP and the animal rights nazi's over their use of live seagulls in the engine tests. That combined with some internal grumblings on the havoc the seagulls would wreak on the engines during the test probably helped end the practice. The nuts, bolts, rocks, shards of metal, etc. that the seagulls ingested does a number on the precision machined innards of a jet engine.
So, Pratt began testing with cleaned chicken carcasses. Afterall, a bird test is a bird test, right? Sure, weight and body size were about the same. But chickens tend to fill themselves up with grains and cracked corn which their little stomachs do a very good job of digesting, thus making them very easy to puree. Obviously, a jet isn't going to encounter a flock of chickens flying throught the air. But that aside, a far more real world test would be the continued use of seagulls, stomach contents and all. If the engine can't survive a seagull test in controlled test conditions, what makes one think it will perform any better in real world situations.
I know these were GE engines, I would guess their situation is very much similar.
If it was Debka, News Max or World Net Daily, the whackos posting on this thread would believe it.
The possibility of ingestion of foreign objects is derided, yet yesterday, there were people seriously discussing the possibility that this plane was brought down by a person or persons with a hand held rifle.
Anything far fetched or conspiratorial is seriously entertained, while the mundane is immediately rejected. I guess that's half the fun of being in junior high.
Here's a shooting scenario to consider, the intention being to cause a catostrophic failure of an engine on take off leading to a crash.
I would envision a (hypothetical) runway sniper using a van soundproofed on the inside with cheap foam mattresses. The exact shooting position would be determined in advance so that a shooting chair and rifle rest could be set up inside the van in advance. The shot could be taken through a removed small rear door window.
The shooter would drive to his pre-determined road side parking place, get in the chair, and use his 12 or 20 power off-the-shelf scope to observe the jets as they turned into the take off position. Seeing the big twin engine jet with the American Airlines logo, he would have plenty of time to settle in for his one and only shot. He would pick a twin engine, to maximize the chance of causing a crash after shooting one engine.
Since he would not be placing a bomb on a specific plane, but merely shooting the first large twin engine American Airlines jet to turn his way, that would explain why the jet to the DomRep was hit. It was just the luck of the draw. (This is just a hypothesis!!)
As the jet races down the runway straight towards him, he holds his crosshairs just above the center of the 12 foot diameter engine. As the wheels come off the tarmac, he fires. Even a .30 caliber slug through the engine turbines could cause the massive failure he seeks, a .50 caliber would ensure it.
If the jet lands right on him, he screams "Allah Akbar" with a big grin on his face, and goes to collect his 72 virgins right away.
If the jet crashes beyond him or not at all, he gets back into his driver's seat, and checks his map for the route to Logan, Dulles, O'hare or Miami International.
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So why do I go to the trouble of pitching this hypothesis? Because even if there was no sniper at the end of the runway at JFK today, there might be next week. The national guardsmen standing around looking scary in the terminals doing nothing but providing pseudo-security PR, should instead be patrolling the airport runway approaches with their M-16A2s, looking for my hypothetical but entirely possible (even likely) snipers.
What are they doing in the terminals anyway? Looking for hidden boxcutters with their Superman X-ray eyes?
This has the smell of a Clinton debacle. God Help Us............please.
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