Posted on 11/13/2001 3:32:01 AM PST by vrwc54
Aviation expert and former National Transportation Safety Board official Vernon Grose said late Monday that he's increasingly skeptical that the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 was purely accidental."I am backing away from the ready idea that this is simply an accident," Grose told Fox News Channel's John Scott.
The veteran air crash prober said that he questions the sequence in which the plane broke up over Jamaica Bay before slamming into a residential area in Rockaway, Queens.
"Photographs you've already shown tonight [indicate] the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft with the American Airlines insignia right on it [fell into] Jamaica Bay long before the engine falls off in Queens," he told Scott.
Grose said that if the vertical stabilizer detached from Fight 587 over Jamaica Bay, which the plane traversed before plummeting to the ground in Rockaway, it suggested that catastrophic engine failure alone may not have caused the crash.
"No, I don't think that's the situation at all," he told FNC.
"The engine that came free, which apparently was the number 1 left engine, crashed on land. That was well after the vertical stabilizer was detached from the aircraft, and that tells me that somehow ... the airplane was progressively disintegrating, not just losing an engine and then diving into the ground."
"Earlier today I thought it was simply the loss of an engine that caused this," Grose said. "But I'm not convinced now. ... I am becoming more skeptical."
I suppose 'we' should have realized that a WTC event was probable. But the govt is truly negligent in not taking the proper precautions to keep these lands secure. NOW, that the horse is escaping the barn, they are trying to close the door on it, but it's too late. Plus the fact that they are neglecting the BACK door to the 'barn'....the inflow of foreigners...STILL.
Hate to say it... but thank GOD that this IS the land of a certain Constitutional right.
As I recall, it was on UA flight 587. Am I wrong?
The bad thing about the bright spot is that everyone will be as cynical as Jammer.
My guess is that Bush's media/PR machinery is not going to risk negating the good will and support of the overall populace by espouzing a lie that will not be bought. The gaging of the lie is being surveyed and assessed RIGHT NOW! A decision will be made in the next few hours whether to support the lie or go with people.
Good Point! I think we've already seen that. Ari's press conference was more balanced than statements from the NTSB or others. And Bush used the word "incident" not "accident."
Mr. Bush....if you and your spin machine are reading this, don't try the lies and cover-up schtick. It didn't work with klintler/hitlery/gorsky, it WON'T work for you! Besides.....it would go against your religious beliefs, the one about 'bearing false witness'. I know, I live it, and so a LOT of OTHER Americans. LOL.
So then, you'd have to ask "Say what? Why?", well maybe since 9-11 they have some panic button, voice not needed, anything going wrong with a plane, the pilot pushes a button, this signal is transmitted down and around the command and control food chain in a timely manner, to whomever is flying aircap, and I doubt that NYC DOESN'T have 24/7 armed military aircap right now. So, someone in that chain misinterprets a warning signal, someone else gets the nod to "do their duty", and a whoopsie daisy is the result.
The government already said clearly "no more hijackings", zero tolerance, they get shot down, so perhaps a minor mechanical problem got misinterpreted as a hijacking, one thing leads to another in a very short time span, and you got plane A on ground B, minus parts C, D, and E which got blown off and fell elsewheres, the biggest chunk out over the water where the noises were when it all started, and where it might have been safer for a "takedown" move...
Look at various governments "zero tolerance" attemtps with other issues, tweety bird keychains leading to a suspension at a school, pictures of an army man, suspension, travelers getting on an airplane, nailfiles and fingernail clippers confiscated. On and on, thousands of examples of misinterpreting reality. some poor slob just sells a car, got 4 grand cash on him, gets pulled over for something, cops sees the cash, the poor slob is now an automatic drug dealer.
Government always acts as a drunken eleephant, it really has little finesse or grace, not really, it blunders this way or that, either completely ignores a problem-like security up to 9-11, or over-reacts, uses a howitzer as a flyswatter.
Who is this guy? What is his background? I know that they say he is a former NTSB investigator, but he sure doesn't sound like he know too much about aircraft or accident investigations. Anyone know about him?
...somewhere amongst all the BS.
My take on it is that these two orgs have newly developed PR teams that are staying aprised with the sentiment of the nation. Hell, they may even have lurkers here.
I believe both those sentences strongly. I believe a poster whose initials are K.C. and one whose screen name begins with an "_" are. I don't post their full names because this reply may be removed.
A decision will be made in the next few hours whether to support the lie or go with people.
Good point. Do you think the FBI has focus groups to try out various explanations?
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