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Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flt. 587 Crash
www.newsmax.com | 11/12/01 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/12/2001 7:40:57 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins

Monday Nov. 12, 2001; 11:34 p.m. EST

Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flt. 587 Crash

Aviation expert and former National Transportation & Safety Board official Vernon Grose said late Monday that he's increasingly skeptical that the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 was purely accidental.

"I am backing away from the ready idea that this is simply an accident," Grose told Fox News Channel's John Scott.

The veteran air crash prober said that he questions the sequence in which the plane broke up over Jamaica Bay before slamming into a residential area in Rockaway, Queens.

"Photographs you've already shown tonigt (indicate) the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft with the American Airlines insignia right on it (fell into) Jamaica Bay long before the engine falls off in Queens," he told Scott.

Grose said that if the vertical stabilizer detached from Flt. 587 over Jamaica Bay, which the plane traversed before plummeting to the ground in Rockaway, it suggested that catastrophic engine failure alone may not have caused the crash.

"No, I don't think that's the situation at all," he told FNC.

"The engine that came free, which apparently was the number 1 left engine, and crashed on land - that was well after the vertical stabilizer was detached from the aircraft and that tells me that somehow..... that the airplane was progressively disintegrating, not just losing an engine and then diving into the ground."

"Earlier today I thought it was simply the loss of an engine that caused this," Grose told FNC. "But I'm not convinced now.... I am becoming more skeptical."


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To: concerned about politics
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181 posted on 11/13/2001 5:01:36 PM PST by timestax
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To: Z-28
bump to the top for the newbies coming aboard
182 posted on 11/13/2001 5:02:41 PM PST by timestax
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To: Travis McGee
"At least 726 birds and other animals have been hit by aircraft at Kennedy over the past decade, according to Federal Aviation Administration records obtained by The Associated Press.

"Most of the incidents at Kennedy happened at Runway 31L, where Flight 587 took off. Pilots using that runway reported 139 incidents, at least 62 of which involved gulls. Other animals included barn owls, larks, sparrows, homing pigeons, a peregrine falcon and a jackrabbit.

"For years, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the airport, has used cannon-like noisemakers and trained falcons to scare birds away. The FAA also uses sharpshooters to kill birds.

hmm...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24536-2001Nov13.html

183 posted on 11/13/2001 7:09:54 PM PST by Z-28
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To: GEC
Engines don't slow down and go into reverse! LOL Flaps drops down and deflect the thrust forward. That would cause the plane to shudder violently, throw engines and drop tail. The authorities MUST know this. They are trying to protect GE I guess. Or convince public GE engines are OK. The GE engines have had to be redesigned several times to fix this problem. I guess its not fixed. This is just my guess.
184 posted on 11/13/2001 10:42:43 PM PST by BlackJack
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185 posted on 11/13/2001 10:51:17 PM PST by timestax
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186 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:11 PM PST by timestax
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
It looks like the FBI doesn't want to be bothered by any ole witnesses!!

But remember when they were looking for that border, railroad ,mass killer near Texas, Mexico border a few years back, FBI went all out for witneses, even offering a reward. But when it comes to airliner disasters, they want NO EYEWITNESSES.

187 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:17 PM PST by timestax
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To: Stevieboy
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188 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:30 PM PST by timestax
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189 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:42 PM PST by timestax
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190 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:06 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
We will see in time whether or not the investigation into this crash is thorough. So far I think we are getting some straight up info from NTSB. It is the media that is spinning it and trying to make it seem like they have all the answers. I really doubted the idea of wake vortex because the plane was said to be 7 miles ahead of the airbus. Now they are saying it was much closer than that. They are also saying that the bolts were intact and the graphite/fiberglass parts might have torn away. If they can explain it so that it makes reasonable sense, fine. I am hoping they will be able to do that. If they had continued saying that the engines failed first and that caused the crash, I would still be jumping up and down.
191 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:45 PM PST by MistyCA
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192 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:28 PM PST by timestax
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193 posted on 11/16/2001 10:28:12 PM PST by rmvh
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
bump for the newbies to see!!
194 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:31 AM PST by timestax
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195 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:10 AM PST by timestax
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196 posted on 01/21/2002 7:52:58 PM PST by timestax
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To: Theresa
You sound like a pretty smart cookie!!
197 posted on 01/22/2002 2:16:54 PM PST by timestax
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198 posted on 01/28/2002 3:16:51 PM PST by timestax
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199 posted on 02/27/2002 9:19:28 AM PST by timestax
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To: Stevieboy
bump for newbies to peruse ans think about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
200 posted on 02/27/2002 9:26:18 AM PST by timestax
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