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NTSB Chief: Crash Probably Accident
Associated Press ^ | November 12, 2001 | By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

Posted on 11/12/2001 11:30:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Monday November 12 2:24 PM ET

NTSB Chief: Crash Probably Accident

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By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said there were no unusual communications from the cockpit of an American Airlines plane that crashed Monday in New York. The head of the U.S. safety board said current information indicates the crash was an accident.

Fleischer said President Bush (news - web sites) was informed of the crash within minutes of its occurrence in a residential section of Queens, and that Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge hastened to the White House Situation Room to confer with other senior officials on a conference call.

At a White House briefing, Fleischer said the National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) had been named the lead investigative agency into the crash, in which an Airbus crashed shortly after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the NTSB (news - web sites), said, ``All information we have currently is that this is an accident.''

The crash triggered moments of intense concern inside the administration, struggling to cope with the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax outbreak that followed a few weeks later.

But initial information seemed to allay concern that the American Airlines crash was another bout of terrorism. Several administration officials, including some at the White House, said that based on preliminary information the incident did not appear to be a terrorist attack.

Blakey said the flight data recorder had been recovered and would be analyzed by federal safety experts. Fleischer said there had been no credible threats against airplanes in advance of the crash.

The White House spokesman declined to rule terrorism in or out as a possible cause of the crash but said he would not dispute the assessment of U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, who said there was no preliminary evidence of terrorism.

The airlines have taken a financial beating since the suicide hijackings of Sept. 11, and officials have worked to rebuild public confidence in the industry. ``The president continues to believe that people need to travel,'' said Fleischer.

An administration source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said preliminary reports led the FBI (news - web sites) to believe there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was an accident, mechanical failure or an act of sabotage. Fleischer said he could not confirm the report.

``There have been, according to eyewitnesses, information that an engine was seen being detached from the plane and that it landed separately from the main body of the airplane,'' he said.

With the nation on high alert, a result of the Sept. 11 attacks, Fleischer said Bush was in the Situation Room, convening a national security meeting, when he was handed a note shortly before 9:30 a.m. that a plane had gone down.

Bush spoke with New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) and Gov. George Pataki and ``expressed to both of them his deepest sympathy for the people of New York to be enduring any other trauma,'' Fleischer said.

The spokesman stepped to the microphones in the White House briefing room less than three hours after the plane crashed with 255 passengers and crew members aboard. Several eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions aboard the plane, and a piece of an engine came to rest outside a gas station in the Queens section of New York.

``There were no unusual communications with the cockpit,'' Fleischer said. He said investigators had not yet found the ``black box'' that records important in-flight information.

He also said Bush had dispatched federal investigators and search-and-rescue personnel to the scene.

New York area airports were closed in the wake of the crash, and federal officials briefly considered a nationwide shutdown. But Fleischer said officials did not intend to do that, and indicated the New York airports wouldn't be closed for long.

Bush postponed a scheduled interview with Russian and American reporters so he could monitor the investigation into the crash of Flight 587, which had just taken off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to the Dominican Republic. He meets Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), opening three days of talks in Washington and Texas.

Intelligence agencies, the FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) were reviewing all recent intelligence for any signs that terrorism was involved but an hour after the crash there was no evidence pointing to an attack, said a U.S. official speaking only on condition of anonymity.

``They are comparing information to see if it provides any insight into what transpired. At this point, there's no indication of a terrorist attack, but it certainly can't be ruled out in current environment,'' the official said.

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White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer briefs reporters, Monday, Nov. 12, 2001, after an American Airlines jetliner, on its way to the Dominican Republic with 255 people aboard when it crashed moments after takeoff in New York City. Bush administration officials said the FBI believed there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was the result of a mechanical failure or sabotage. (AP Photo/Doug Mills)


An FBI agent (L) holds one of the battered and dented "black box" flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 in his lap as he removes it from the scene of the crash in a New York City police car November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. An American Airlines Airbus A-300 passenger jet crashed while taking off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. REUTERS/Jim Bourg


One of the battered and dented 'black box' flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 lies on the ground beside a New York City police car as it is taken from the scene of the crash by an FBI agent November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. Investigators quickly recovered the flight data recorder from the doomed jetliner and are transporting it to Washington for analysis. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)


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To: Trust but Verify
Let me see if I have this right. Your e-mail buddy (who is not an eyewitness) is 75% sure it was a SAM, but NO EYEWITNESS reports seeing a SAM. Do you see a problem with this?

You have it correct and, yes I do see a problem with that. That is why my post says also "I just have a hard time believing this is a deliberate act, but sure wanna know."

Thanks.

61 posted on 11/12/2001 1:08:43 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Rome2000
According to a former NTSB investigator engines on the Airbuses are designed to seperate on catastrophic failure. Did you know that?
62 posted on 11/12/2001 1:09:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
My guess is that a bomb was planted. We know terrorists want to bankrupt this country and knock out mass transportation and they can do that. If mechanical then why wasnt there ever a mayday from the pilot ?

Plane accidents do happen and depature and return are dangerous...absolutely. After planes dont just explode for no reason. Call me crazy but......Its them again.

63 posted on 11/12/2001 1:10:04 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: MeeknMing
As a very long time pilot and engineer, the day's observations of pieces being recovered from Jamaica Bay show me that the plane was literally blown apart in the air, either by a bomb or a fuel explosion similar to TWA.

At this point, I feel sure we're looking at terrorism. It doesn't surprise me that officials are reporting a likely accident. Reports of terrorism, unless very obvious, would do more harm than good just now. We shall see......

64 posted on 11/12/2001 1:11:28 PM PST by Committed
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To: sinkspur
Another airline related terrorist incident would destroy commercial aviation quicker than a mechanical problem.

Actually, Government officials making premature preposterous statements like "it was probably an accident"when all evidence and common sense points to the opposite will do more to destroy what little trust was left in the Government.

How does makking people believe that they may not only die on American Airlines as a result of a terrorist attack, but they also have to worry about the engines falling off help that airline or any other?.

Something tells me that you have an agenda.

Do you work for the Government?

65 posted on 11/12/2001 1:12:14 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Lady GOP
Actually, there WAS a Mayday, and the plane was also seen dumping fuel into Jamaica Bay and trying to return to JFK. In other words, they were acting like they had mechanical problems.
66 posted on 11/12/2001 1:13:16 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Lady GOP
It doesn't even have to be a bomb, or a bomb on the inside</> of the plane. All they'd need is someone with access to the plane while on the tarmac. And given the oxymoron that still is airport security, it probably wouldn't be that big a problem.
67 posted on 11/12/2001 1:13:29 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Rome2000
Actually, there's way more evidence that there was a bomb than not (little things like people hearing an explosion and pieces like the wing and engine falling off and landing away from the main crash site).

You need to look up the thread on the GE CF-6. Catastrophic engine failure can destroy the engine, the shroud, and blades can rip into the wings and fuselage. The CF-6 has been failing on an irregular basis for ten years.

"People hearing" don't mean anything when fuel explodes, no matter what the cause.

As walsh says, why would a terrorist blow up a plane destined for one of the poorest countries in the world?

68 posted on 11/12/2001 1:14:32 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: mewzilla
There definitely could be criminal mischief mechanically. In fact thats the only theory that would argue that it was a terrorist since the destination of the flight would not necessarily be known when the failure occurred. I'm arguing that there has been no evidence of a bomb from what I have heard today and I listened very closely to the contemporaneous accounts this morning on WABC the local NY radio station. They did a good job finding and talking to witnesses on air. No mention of SAM's and several insisted there was no explosion from their vantage point.
69 posted on 11/12/2001 1:15:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: sinkspur
There is NO evidence that a bomb blew up that plane.

Correct. Appreciate your attempts at sanity on this thread.

It seems as if many folks want the crash to be the result of a terrorist.
I don't have much trust in government either but this instant analysis and final conclusions based on limited information is pointless. Too many know-it-alls who don't know much but like to think they do. Yes siree, can't fool those folks. They KNOW.

I'll hold judgement until we see more information and if the government witholds too much information or gets all coy about responding to questions and showing proof of simple mechanical failure then I'll get on the 'terrorists did it' bandwagon. It's a little too early for that at this point.

70 posted on 11/12/2001 1:15:41 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Poohbah
And the phrase "mechanical problems" doesn't mean much, to my mind, until we know whether or not there was criminal intent involved in development of the problem.
71 posted on 11/12/2001 1:16:10 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Poohbah
Actually, there WAS a Mayday

Really where is that being reported..? Last time checked the only thing they could confirm was an explosion. Please send me a link.

72 posted on 11/12/2001 1:17:01 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Rome2000
If anybody is hysterical it is you, I'm LMAO at your posts!

Me too, actually. He should audition for the Comedy Club? ;-)
73 posted on 11/12/2001 1:17:58 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Lady GOP
I heard it on local radio (San Diego) a few minutes ago. No link handy, will look.
74 posted on 11/12/2001 1:18:03 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Conversely, the only way you can be sure that it was not a "terrorist" act was if you yourself did it. Just relax, I'm sure you'll enjoy the cavity search. Weirdo.
75 posted on 11/12/2001 1:20:44 PM PST by Gargantua
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To: sinkspur
The CF-6 has been failing on an irregular basis for ten years.

From that, I take it you are predicting the FAA will be grounding all planes with the CF-6 real soon now. Correct?

76 posted on 11/12/2001 1:21:01 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Poohbah
Actually, there WAS a Mayday, and the plane was also seen dumping fuel into Jamaica Bay and trying to return to JFK. In other words, they were acting like they had mechanical problems.

That is a direct contradiction of Ari Fleischers press confrence when he was asked if there was any indication of trouble aboard the flight.

Here we go again, if the story doesn't fit the facts, change the story.

Does the word PREPOSTEROUS mean anything to you?

77 posted on 11/12/2001 1:21:06 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Jim Scott
Don't be so hard on the people whio are hoping for terrorists to be responsible for this. That, in it's own way, is less hard to take than the idea that a plane can just--ooops--fall out of the sky. OBL's guys would also be earier to take than a domestic airline that was screwing and/or killing its own customers by skimping on maintenance or and/or buying cheapie spare parts.

Personally, I'm with the folks who are hoping that the other guys did it.

And I also am aware than anything human-made is intrinsically imperfect and could fail at any time, but I'm hoping that's not the cause, either.

78 posted on 11/12/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: sinkspur
> Actually, you're letting your shotgun mouth get ahead of your BB gun butt. The latest is that the pilot was dumping fuel seconds after take-off. Pilots dump fuel when they believe they can return to an airport. Not likely that this was terrorism. More likely that it was catastrophic engine failure.

Sinkspur, WHY NO COMMUNICATION????? NONE? There are usually more than one person in the cockpit. Why, if the pilot could have been dumping fuel, which I've been told is unlikely according to the type of plane it was, wouldn't SOMEONE have radioed the tower? Think about it before you start insulting people who are rightly untrusting of government pronouncements, especially the NTSB, none of whom were on the scene until AFTER the fact and AFTER many eyewitnesses had already been heard from.

79 posted on 11/12/2001 1:21:40 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: Committed
As a very long time pilot and engineer, the day's observations of pieces being recovered from Jamaica Bay show me that the plane was literally blown apart in the air, either by a bomb or a fuel explosion similar to TWA.

At this point, I feel sure we're looking at terrorism. It doesn't surprise me that officials are reporting a likely accident. Reports of terrorism, unless very obvious, would do more harm than good just now. We shall see......

Thanks, friend! I nominated yours for "Number one response on the Thread". Can I get a second on that nomination???
80 posted on 11/12/2001 1:21:53 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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