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Posted on 11/12/2001 11:30:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
Monday November 12 2:24 PM ET
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By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON (AP) - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said there were no unusual communications from the cockpit of an American Airlines plane that crashed Monday in New York. The head of the U.S. safety board said current information indicates the crash was an accident.
Fleischer said President Bush (news - web sites) was informed of the crash within minutes of its occurrence in a residential section of Queens, and that Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge hastened to the White House Situation Room to confer with other senior officials on a conference call.
At a White House briefing, Fleischer said the National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) had been named the lead investigative agency into the crash, in which an Airbus crashed shortly after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the NTSB (news - web sites), said, ``All information we have currently is that this is an accident.''
The crash triggered moments of intense concern inside the administration, struggling to cope with the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax outbreak that followed a few weeks later.
But initial information seemed to allay concern that the American Airlines crash was another bout of terrorism. Several administration officials, including some at the White House, said that based on preliminary information the incident did not appear to be a terrorist attack.
Blakey said the flight data recorder had been recovered and would be analyzed by federal safety experts. Fleischer said there had been no credible threats against airplanes in advance of the crash.
The White House spokesman declined to rule terrorism in or out as a possible cause of the crash but said he would not dispute the assessment of U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, who said there was no preliminary evidence of terrorism.
The airlines have taken a financial beating since the suicide hijackings of Sept. 11, and officials have worked to rebuild public confidence in the industry. ``The president continues to believe that people need to travel,'' said Fleischer.
An administration source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said preliminary reports led the FBI (news - web sites) to believe there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was an accident, mechanical failure or an act of sabotage. Fleischer said he could not confirm the report.
``There have been, according to eyewitnesses, information that an engine was seen being detached from the plane and that it landed separately from the main body of the airplane,'' he said.
With the nation on high alert, a result of the Sept. 11 attacks, Fleischer said Bush was in the Situation Room, convening a national security meeting, when he was handed a note shortly before 9:30 a.m. that a plane had gone down.
Bush spoke with New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) and Gov. George Pataki and ``expressed to both of them his deepest sympathy for the people of New York to be enduring any other trauma,'' Fleischer said.
The spokesman stepped to the microphones in the White House briefing room less than three hours after the plane crashed with 255 passengers and crew members aboard. Several eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions aboard the plane, and a piece of an engine came to rest outside a gas station in the Queens section of New York.
``There were no unusual communications with the cockpit,'' Fleischer said. He said investigators had not yet found the ``black box'' that records important in-flight information.
He also said Bush had dispatched federal investigators and search-and-rescue personnel to the scene.
New York area airports were closed in the wake of the crash, and federal officials briefly considered a nationwide shutdown. But Fleischer said officials did not intend to do that, and indicated the New York airports wouldn't be closed for long.
Bush postponed a scheduled interview with Russian and American reporters so he could monitor the investigation into the crash of Flight 587, which had just taken off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to the Dominican Republic. He meets Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), opening three days of talks in Washington and Texas.
Intelligence agencies, the FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) were reviewing all recent intelligence for any signs that terrorism was involved but an hour after the crash there was no evidence pointing to an attack, said a U.S. official speaking only on condition of anonymity.
``They are comparing information to see if it provides any insight into what transpired. At this point, there's no indication of a terrorist attack, but it certainly can't be ruled out in current environment,'' the official said.
Earlier Stories
Official: Crash May Not Be Terror (November 12)
Bush Seeks NY Plane Crash Details (November 12)
Bush Seeks Details on NY Plane Crash (November 12)
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer briefs reporters, Monday, Nov. 12, 2001, after an American Airlines jetliner, on its way to the Dominican Republic with 255 people aboard when it crashed moments after takeoff in New York City. Bush administration officials said the FBI believed there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was the result of a mechanical failure or sabotage. (AP Photo/Doug Mills)
An FBI agent (L) holds one of the battered and dented "black box" flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 in his lap as he removes it from the scene of the crash in a New York City police car November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. An American Airlines Airbus A-300 passenger jet crashed while taking off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. REUTERS/Jim Bourg
One of the battered and dented 'black box' flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 lies on the ground beside a New York City police car as it is taken from the scene of the crash by an FBI agent November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. Investigators quickly recovered the flight data recorder from the doomed jetliner and are transporting it to Washington for analysis. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)
At least one of the engines, believed to be from the right side, fell intact on a gas-station parking lot. American Airlines said the left engine on Flight 587 was freshly overhauled and the right engine was about due for maintenance after nearly 10,000 hours of operation.
Alright, (supposedly) the old engine falls into the gas station. The outer skin of the housing appears to be largely (50%?) intact and barely appears scorched.
The newly rebuilt engine hits (very near) the house. Judging from the photo, the turbine blades appear to be largely intact (?, not sure if the best view of them is from the front or rear of the engine).
Both engines end up on land.
The main body of the plane ends up on land.
The tail section (minus the rudder) ends up in the bay (largely undamaged (?), appears to be sheered off the body of the aircraft).
???
Since you appear to have a level perspective on this, I'll address this one to you. :-) This from another commercial pilot on Avsig:
"Ok, here's my put. The engine guys will have sorted out whether an engine was failed and by what circumstance by noon tomorrow. The aircraft structures guys are going to have a bigger job sorting out possible aerodynamic wing damage (e.g. El AL)and the Systems guys an even bigger job to sort out the hydraulics and backups to control surfaces.
Seeing the Vertical stab without visible damage really caught me by surprise. I noted that the rudders were missing as well. I guess I'll have to wait for the Public Hearing for that explanation.
The first thing I would go for is the condition of the fan rub strips and blade tips (tells a lot about gyro loading and running vs failed engines).
The engine shown at the gas station sure had a good looking nose spinner which had to be attached to a good fan disk.
The CF6 80 C2 sure has lots of experience and nothing even remotely close to such an outcome, so I'm sure that we we'll get some surprises here.
Look for tomorrow night's NTSB briefing to close down the speculations a good bit as they report what the engines and nacelles look like.
FYI...
Read this, its a story about a CF6 80 C2 that want kablooie. NTSB report
It seems JFK developed something like Bermuda Syndrom, or there is more simple and logical explanation: Thousands of Midestern nationals living in NY and New Jersey.
Washington, D.C. 20594
Safety Recommendation
Date: December 12, 2000
In reply refer to: A-00-121 through -124
Honorable Jane F. Garvey
Administrator
Federal Aviation Administration
Washington, D.C. 20591
In this letter, the National Transportation Safety Board recommends that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) take action to address safety issues that were identified during its investigation of an uncontained engine failure 1 that occurred at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on September 22, 2000, as a result of cracking and rupture of a high pressure turbine (HPT) stage 1 disk 2 in a General Electric (GE) CF6-80C2B2 engine (see figure 1).
Background
On September 22, 2000, a US Airways Boeing 767-2B7(ER) airplane, N654US, equipped with GE CF6-80C2B2 engines, experienced an uncontained failure of the HPT stage 1 disk in the No. 1 engine during a high-power ground run for maintenance at Philadelphia International Airport, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Because of a report of an in-flight loss of oil, US Airways mechanics had replaced a seal on the No. 1 engine’s integral drive generator and were performing the high-power engine run to check for any oil leakage. For the maintenance check, the mechanics had taxied the airplane to a remote taxiway on the airport and had performed three runups for which no anomalies were noted.
During the fourth excursion to high power, at around 93 percent N1 rpm, 3 there was a loud explosion followed by a fire under the left wing of the airplane. The mechanics shut down the engines, discharged both fire bottles into the No. 1 engine nacelle, and evacuated the airplane. Although both fire bottles were discharged, the fire continued until it was extinguished by airport fire department personnel. The No. 1 engine and the airplane sustained substantial damage. 4 The three mechanics were not injured.
This incident raises serious safety concerns because, if it had occurred during flight rather than on the ground during maintenance, the airplane might not have been able to maintain safe flight. Examination of the airplane revealed that a portion of the HPT stage 1 disk penetrated the left wing just inboard of the No. 1 engine pylon. Investigators determined that this portion of the disk, which is approximately 140 square inches and 45 pounds, penetrated a dry bay, made a 1-inch-wide vertical cut through the lower half of the forward wing spar, and penetrated a fuel tank before exiting through the top of the wing and passing over the fuselage. Examination of the engine revealed that the disk rupture split the engine in half, leaving the rear of the engine joined to the front only by the fan midshaft. The disk had separated from the shaft and was completely missing from the engine. Two pieces of the disk, which amounted to about two-thirds of it, and three blade slot posts were recovered.
5 Although an extensive search was conducted, the remaining one-third of the ruptured disk (the piece that passed through the wing) was not recovered. Trajectory analysis performed by the Safety Board indicates that it may have landed in the Delaware River, which is adjacent to the airport.
Ah, but what if it was an accident, and then Bin Ladin claims responsibility. Our government's dilemma is that it will be damned if it does or damned if it does not declare this an accident.
Still....
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