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Bush May Order Everyone Injected With Smallpox Vaccine
Rense.com | 11-9-1

Posted on 11/09/2001 4:57:24 PM PST by Magician

All Americans could be forced to have smallpox jabs under plans being considered by President Bush, despite fears that such a programme would kill hundreds.

Underlining White House fears about America's vulnerability to a new wave of bioterrorism, Mr Bush said that he was discussing with Tommy Thompson, the Health Secretary, whether to order mandatory vaccinations.

"One of my concerns is if we were to have universal vaccination, some might lose their life," he said. "But I'm looking at all options, all possibilities."

Authorities in the US have already announced that they intend to stockpile 300 million doses of smallpox vaccine, enough for the country's 260 million citizens. But last night was the first time that anyone had suggested they would be compulsory rather than used to cover an emergency.

Mr Bush made his remarks yesterday as he was touring the Centres for Disease Control in Atlanta, which houses one of only two officially kept samples of smallpox since the World Health Organisation declared in 1979 that the virus had been eradicated. Earlier this week scientists at the Vektor Institute in Siberia, which holds the other sample, gave warning that underpaid Russian workers could be tempted to sell the virus to terrorists.

The last case of smallpox was in 1977. The vaccine is fatal for one in a million cases.


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To: FITZ
...keep in mind the smallpox likely to be released would be an extremely virulent kind.

Yes, probably blackpox from what I've been reading. And even with smallpox, not only is there a 30% fatality rate, but many many survivors are left blind. I don't know what the effects of blackpox are.

141 posted on 11/09/2001 8:56:51 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Concentrate
LOL! I wondered what that was.
142 posted on 11/09/2001 9:02:18 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Let's Roll
That's what I get for not doing my own math - NOT 3 million, more like 300. My bad.
143 posted on 11/09/2001 9:05:27 PM PST by Let's Roll
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To: texasbluebell
Yes blackpox is what the worst kind of smallpox was and it had a higher than 30% death rate in those that got it, but not everyone died of smallpox in the past because many people had acquired immunity either by animal pox diseases or the less deadly smallpox variants. The good thing is with vaccination we won't have to worry about it at all, so I'm very glad they're closer to offering it. With the majority of people vaccinated, those who can't or shouldn't be vaccinated will have a much lower chance of exposure too since the disease wouldn't have much chance to spread far and so will be protected too ---like people on chemo or children with leukemia, and AIDS patients, or those whose parents choose not to have them vaccinated.
144 posted on 11/09/2001 9:08:56 PM PST by FITZ
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People, I'm busy making Christmas stockings, I don't have time to make you all tin foil hats too!
145 posted on 11/09/2001 9:14:13 PM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: slym
Anyone else out there against forced innoculations? Or are you all just rolling up your collective sleeves for Dick and Dubya?

I'm against forced innoculations. All of us are smart enough to do a little research and decide if we want to take our chance with smallpox or take a chance with a pretty harmless vaccinia virus that could save our lives. The vaccine was used many years ago, our government did not create the virus. It was English milkmaids who first explained to Edward Jenner why they didn't catch smallpox.

146 posted on 11/09/2001 9:19:39 PM PST by FITZ
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To: brigette
Vaccination was routinely done at age 1. If you never had a scar you either missed being vaccinated or the vaccine didn't take and you weren't immune. The scar weren't always on the upper arm and will fade over time, although I can still find my (age 43) scar.
147 posted on 11/09/2001 9:47:26 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Magician
Good.
148 posted on 11/09/2001 10:38:24 PM PST by brat
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To: piasa
Vaccination related deaths were 1/million in 1st vaccinations, 1/4 million in repeat vaccinations and total complications were 1/13,000 in 1st vaccinations and 1/200,000 in repeat vaccinations for the 14M Americans vaccinated in 1968, according to the 1999 JAMA Consensus statement. High risk people were not routinely vaccinated, i.e. the immunocompromised and those with skin diseases such as atopic dermatitis (eczema). Eczema is even more common now and there are a lot more immunocompromised people. Vaccinating everyone in a city like San Francisco would produce results that only the Taliban could enjoy. Vaccinia virus can uncommonly be spread accidentally person-to-person and potentially cause complications in the unvaccinated.

The only proven treatment for the complication is vaccinia immune globulin (VIG) and the Consensus statement repeatedly states we have very little of that. It can be given as treatment for complications. It can also be given preventively, at the same time, when high risk people have to be vaccinated. It can only be made from the blood of recently vaccinated people. While we are increasing our vaccine stocks we also should be vaccinating enough people now to make enough VIG for the demand those stocks would produce. We should prudently do that whether we plan mass vaccinations or whether we just plan to keep the vaccine in reserve.

149 posted on 11/09/2001 10:45:11 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: brigette
they stopped vaccinating for smallpox in 1971. My son was born that yr. and he was not vaccinated. My other son, born in 1967 was vaccinated.
150 posted on 11/09/2001 11:50:18 PM PST by Collier
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To: crazykatz
Forgive me if this has been posted in this thread already, but the fatality rate is only 30%, not 75.
151 posted on 11/10/2001 6:54:33 AM PST by GWfan
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To: carenot
Yeppers... it varies from person to person. :)
152 posted on 11/10/2001 10:29:44 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: brigette
I'm not sure about when they stopped it. I know that when my son (born 1974) went for his immunizations in '79, I was told I "could" have him vaccinated, but they weren't recommending it anymore. So at that point there was a choice...not mandantory. Maybe your Mom was told the same thing? As far as having the reaction.... I would say it's something you'd have to weigh out in your own mind. Did your siblings have a bad reaction to it?
153 posted on 11/10/2001 10:35:06 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: Magician
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Unimpeachable source!

154 posted on 11/10/2001 10:41:44 AM PST by verity
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To: uncbob
Well this Old Timer remembers when you HAD to have a vacination to get into school

And so do I. But, did you ever wonder how many kids might have died from an allergic reaction? Or from contaminated serum?

155 posted on 11/10/2001 2:06:02 PM PST by jackbill
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To: FITZ
My point of questioning the number of deaths.
156 posted on 11/10/2001 2:13:41 PM PST by Rowdee
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To: ladyjane
Interesting. Very interesting. And what about the legal visitors and the illegals?

They can pay for it. Or if you want to raise the issue that we are discriminating against legal visitors and illegal immigrants, lets drop everyones taxes and have everyone pay for it.

We need checkboxes for every government function not spelled out in the US Constitution that we are willing to support. Put these on the 1040 forms, and lets see if we can defund some of these.

157 posted on 11/12/2001 2:55:48 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: Illbay
You only endanger yourself, and others who have not been vaccinated.

Which is why that number must be as small as possible.

Since these others, by not taking the vaccine, have already decided to take the chance of getting smallpox, and are endangering themselves, I do not see any issue.

As usual with this sort of argument, you demonstrate a failure to comprehend that a bunch of sick people is a HUGE public health problem, that has to be dealt with. In essence you're asking everyone else to take the risk so you don't have to, and then you want us to take care of you if you get sick.

To you it seems like an individual decision with no ramifications beyond yourself, but you're wrong.

It IS an individual decision.

Let the ones have refused to be innoculated risk getting smallpox. They are the ones that end up paying the price for not getting innoculated. Plus, it is their health care dollars that will be put to work taking care of them.

What is the 'risk' that you are referring to? "In essence you're asking everyone else to take the risk so you don't have to, and then you want us to take care of you if you get sick."

280 million Americans, the ones that want to be innoculated, get themselves innoculated. The ones that don't, do not. We do not force them to be innoculated if they do not want to. They will be the ones to get sick if they happen to catch it. If they don't catch it, then they are lucky, and maybe, they should go plan a Vegas trip. The ones that get innoculated and do not catch it will think that they did the right thing. The ones that decided to get innoculated, but get sick because of the vaccine have only themselves to blame, since no one was forcing them to take it.

Everyone wins. Freedom is maximized.

Group A: People who take the vaccine with their approval, who do not develop smallpox. They get to have peace of mind during a smallpox outbreak.
Group B: People who take the vaccine with their approval, but get smallpox because of their physical makeup, or faulty vaccine. They get to blame their parents, or the pharmaceutical company.
Group C: People who do not take the vaccine, but do not develop smallpox. They get to say "Constitution of an ox!" to their friends and family.
Group D: People who do not take the vaccine, but contract smallpox. The get to say "Shouldda, couldda, wouldda."

158 posted on 11/12/2001 3:13:28 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: Frohickey
Your post makes perfect sense to me.
159 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:02 PM PST by maggie
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