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Free Republic | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/25/2001 8:59:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Ok, this is a free for all thread. Come in and take your best shots. I promise I won't delete it or get upset. Get it out of your systems and then we will see if we can solve the problems. There always several sides to any story and several possible solutions to any problem. I'd like to hear them all and I'd like to solve as many problems as we can and get this forum kicking socialist butt again instead of kicking each other. So, please anyone with a complaint or a problem or a possible solution, (moderators, posters, FAB, everyone) please chime in. Thanks, Jim


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; News/Current Events
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To: rwfromkansas; Jim Robinson
Hmmmm.
Well, here's one more idea, FWIW. Maybe Breaking News could be a Topic instead of a 'type of article'.....then the moderators or FReepers in general (by voting/clicking) could pick which headlines to place in the sidebar; sort of a compromise. It would also be helpful if a person misses the news for a couple of days and only wants to read the 'big stories'....
341 posted on 10/25/2001 10:28:22 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Buckeroo
You remind me of someone who's probably going to be banned soon.
342 posted on 10/25/2001 10:28:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Jim Robinson
Also, we do not want military info that is not already published in the mainstream. This would include info posters may pick up on the base or from military people in their families or info that is picked up from obscure foreign sources. We do not want to take a chance on publishing anything that might get our people hurt.

I will say it again, you give yourselves and Freerepublic way to much credit if you think you really have to delete posts to protect our troups. If that one rare post ever does appear, well by all means delete it. But obscure foregin sources? Methinks you guys are suffering from delusions of grandeur.....

343 posted on 10/25/2001 10:28:31 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Illbay
Thanx. I was thinking more along the lines of such stuff as Republic of Texas articles (I posted one, and it immediately was deleted).
344 posted on 10/25/2001 10:28:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Lancey Howard
I have absolutely no problem with kicking off anybody who gives a moderator so much as a whiff of sympathizing with the liberal Democrat agenda of destroying the traditional American family unit and supporting big government socialism and all the mediocrity and sickness that comes with it.

Personally, although I find the socialist/democrat point of view highly offensive, I also highly value the opportunity to debate with them on substantive matters. What good is a debate where all sides essentially agree?

345 posted on 10/25/2001 10:29:33 PM PDT by sourcery
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To: rwfromkansas
Thanks.

I think I will reframe from posting for awhile and send my info FReepmail.

346 posted on 10/25/2001 10:29:41 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Jim Robinson
I certainly do not believe there is any "censorship problem." This is your private site, Jim, and ANY decision you make as to what constitutes an acceptable post is yours to make alone. Nothing annoying me more than morons who attempt to raise false "freedom of speech" issues whenever they get a post deleted.

What does bother me, however, is that the sidebar and thread moderators here do not all appear to be operating from a single sheet of guidelines. I realize that when there's more than person making such decisions, there are always going to be the occasional difference of opinion over what constitutes a yankible post. But it seems obvious to most of us that many of the moderators have wildly different ideas as to what should and should not be allowed. We can post something and have a moderator yank it within 30 seconds, then come back a couple hours later, repost the exact same thing, and it will pass right through. On long threads, we see one moderator yanking responses like crazy, and then people come back later on and complain about what was yanked, include quotes of exactly what they said in the yanked responses, and have their reposts left entirely alone. This is exactly the sort of thing that is driving so many people nuts, and it needs to be stopped. There has to be some sort of real agreement between all the moderators as to what to allow, and then such agreed rules need to be followed equally by all moderators.

Really, what I would like to see more than anything:

1) Every Post Article page should include, either directly on the page or available via a link, a clear explanation of what sorts of posts should go into which categories: Breaking, Extended, Front Page, etc. Likewise, every Post Reply page should have listed on it precisely what sorts of posts are subject to being pulled. "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts" doesn't mean a thing when Moderator A will nuke a post on "violence and profanity" grounds for the silly humorous statement of frustration, "I'd love to see Berkeley bombed, let's get rid of all the damned fifth columnists," while Moderator B wouldn't see any "violence" or "profanity" until someone said something as extreme as, "Here's the name and address of that f*cn*ng #$@%^&@# in Berkelely who did such-and-such, and I think a bunch of California Freepers ought to go bash his skull in!" These sorts of blatant inconsistencies in enforcement happen every day on FR, and all it does is confuse and annoy posters, and cause them to care little about ANY posting rules because they know, correctly, that they can get in big trouble for saying some silly and minor right now, and then somebody else can come along in the same thread a little while later, say something ten times worse, and get away with it. That has to change.

2) I propose we start a regular, continuing thread where people can discuss moderator actions and general posting policy issues. Whenever anyone has any questions about where something should go, or why some thread was killed that they thought shouldn't have been, they can post in that thread. You and the moderators would then be free to post responses in there as you felt the need. It would centralize all these constant arguments and bits of confusion in one place, and would give us posters a much-desired place to go to bring up stuff like this. Right now we just wander around in a constant daze when it comes to posting policy issues. At the very least, I'd like to see us try it. If it turns into a constant bitching session or personal attacks on the moderators, we can always kill it and go back to the old way.

3) Any user who has a moderator-imposed suspension of posting privileges slapped upon him should be notified of the suspension via Freepmail, with a copy of the offending post(s) and a clear, concise explanation of why the post was over the line. Right now, this usually does not happen at all, and the "offender" will have no clue he even did anything wrong until he gets an error message the next time he tries to post. And even that error message will not tell him precisely what he did or said to deserve the punishment; all he can do is sit on his hands and try to figure out on his own what he did, and what post was the offending one. Not only is this bad-faith treatment of FR members, it does nothing to prevent future infraction of the rules, because the member has no idea what he did wrong in the first place!

4) I'd love to see a fifth sidebar column, "Free for All," where people could post their vanities, questions, bits of humor, technical problems, etc ... all the things that never seem to quite fit in any of the other four categories. Right now whenever any of that stuff gets posted, it dies almost immediately because the Latest Posts list is always filled up with Breaking News and Front Page responses, and without a sidebar, nobody ever knows they're there.

On a totally unrelated note, for anyone that might be able to help me: For the last week or two, I have had to relog in the first time I want to post a new thread or use the self-search feature, if I've quit the browser and relaunched it. In the past I have NEVER had to reenter my username and password here for any reason, except when my browser's cookie file got trashed, and of course in those cases I had to reenter my passwords on every site on the web. But now, it's just FR. Is this some new security change that I hadn't heard about, or is there just something weird going on on my end? (See, if my suggestion (4) above were implemented, I'd have had a better place to post this question!)

347 posted on 10/25/2001 10:29:44 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Illbay
No, because if he was married to Hillary! he'd say "gee, FR IS better than sex. Of course, eating five-week old potato salad laced with botulin toxin is pretty good, too, compared with sex."

That did it...have you at least the deceny to provide the Pepto Bismol required after reading that analogy? Not to mention an apology - to potato salad! *wink*
348 posted on 10/25/2001 10:29:48 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: Objective Reality
make arrangements for safe storage, perhaps with the Library of Congress, the Smithsonian, or an academic institution.

While you're at it, there are quite a few FReepers who could be deposited in an institution for safekeeping, as well!

349 posted on 10/25/2001 10:30:03 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: NoDemocratsIn2000; Jim Robinson; Illbay
[To illbay: ]Thanx. I was thinking more along the lines of such stuff as Republic of Texas articles (I posted one, and it immediately was deleted).
350 posted on 10/25/2001 10:30:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: John Jamieson
Please see post 288.

And let's bury the hatchet, if you are willing.

351 posted on 10/25/2001 10:30:40 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson
I am frustrated with the 'bandwidth police' who constantly admonish those who mistakenly post duplicate articles.

Yet, there are 'chat' threads here (against your stated guidelines) that must eat up more bandwidth than a few duplicate postings.

Which is it, Jim? Are you going to change your guidelines or tell the 'bandwidth police' to hush?

352 posted on 10/25/2001 10:31:18 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Jim Robinson
Just a question: If you fart, does a sidebar moderator fly out, and then compliment you, er, effusively?
353 posted on 10/25/2001 10:31:23 PM PDT by Anthem
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To: Marine Inspector
No problem.

Sorry for my part in all of it.

354 posted on 10/25/2001 10:32:09 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Tall_Texan
How did you find a three week old thread, I wanted to see how 9-11 broke on Freerepublic, cause I was at work untill 4:00 PM that day and was glued to the tv for a couple of days later, I wasnt aware that you could search by date.
355 posted on 10/25/2001 10:32:30 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: jlogajan
I know I can call Liberals ever name in the book, accuse them of any crime real or imagined, impugn their motives, and so forth. Never ever will such a comment get deleted by a moderator. But let me make the same kind of comment about a fundamentalist and wham -- that post is gone.

So you want to be able to launch personal attacks against religious and social conservatives on a conservative forum?

356 posted on 10/25/2001 10:32:42 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Jim Robinson
I think we should have a free-for-all week. Leave all the fucking shit posted right where it gets loaded. Do it without an annoucement so all the limpwristed dicks won't know to go into hiding that week. Let the sidebars get spammed with whatever lunacy someone thinks is so important at the moment and to hell with the terrorist or any other real life events.

Let's not forget about the 25 page posts of legal documents, books, scripture, military code or whatever other 1000 words or more someone can find to post without offering an opinion that would be buried anyway.

And the graphics! Yes, let's make sure all Freepers have trouble loading threads because of those gigantic graphics! While we're discussing graphics, how about this one?

Damn, I don't have it loaded. You know, the one with the man's arm and fist shoved up another man's ass?

And let's not forget about all the liberals, white supremacists, (we don't really want any minorities on this site, do we?), the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israelis and those who think America deserved what she got on 911! Don't you folks know that it's all our fault? That it should have been us buried in that rubble under the WTC? Don't you know that America is evil and we all should die NOW? Oh, wait, I've overlooked those who want to NUKE 'EM ALL whether they're terrorists or not. Well, if both contingencies are left here on Free Republic, maybe they'll all kill each other off.

Wow, imagine not having to pull a thread because more than every other post is some obscene graphic or profanity or threat to kill someone! No, I am still undecided on this one. Maybe us moderators should spend all day individually picking 90 posts out of 100 on each thread just so the article can stay.

Now about those whiners. You know, the people who get a single reply pulled and then send 10-20 FRMails A DAY to the moderators and Jim wanting to know WHY their post was pulled. They want a 100 word explanation on their 10 word post that broke a simple guideline, like NO PROFANITY, NO RACISM, NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.

Or how about the guy who posts a personal e-mail giving away our military men's latest orders or position? It's news isn't it? You're right, those posts should remain on the forum that has 100,000+ hits a day!

If we would just not pull anything, then all those users wouldn't have to tagteam with their buddies or re-register under 20 new names and repost the same thing 20 more times before we nuke them again. Wow, life would be so easy. Just post the garbage once, have only one username, and move on. Who cares if it's trash and goes totally against what conservatism means? Who cares if it puts our military in harms way? Who cares if it's anti-American? Who cares if people use "free" speech as a weapon against our goals and other users? WHO CARES?

fwiw, I learned all of the above on Free Republic. I used to never talk this way.

357 posted on 10/25/2001 10:32:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: BluesDuke
Hello Jim,

Thanks for this invigorating site.

God Bless,
Lilly
358 posted on 10/25/2001 10:33:25 PM PDT by Lilly
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To: DouglasKC
Yeah I know. One of our major problems lately has been duplicate posts of the same article. Problem is, it gets very confusing when there are several separate threads running at the same time on the same article. With more people posting we get more duplicates. Maybe, now that we are moving our threads to database technology, John will be able to come up with a program to merge duplicate threads into one. That would take care of a lot of it. Though, there is still a lot of "tinfoil hat" stuff and other garbage that we just do not want on our forum. Maybe a separate forum for that stuff will solve the problem once we have that capability.
359 posted on 10/25/2001 10:33:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: BluesDuke
I lost my head. Now you've lost your lunch (or supper depending on where you are). Sorry.
360 posted on 10/25/2001 10:33:49 PM PDT by Illbay
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