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ANTHRAX PROBE SHIFTS TO HOMEGROWN HATE GROUPS
New York Post ^ | 10/25/01 | MURRAY WEISS

Posted on 10/25/2001 2:14:28 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:01:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Let's ask Robert Byrd (D-Va) just how left-wing a group of social tinkerers like the Klan really is. Probably just as twisted as the Black Nationalist Panthers, the Requonquista Aztlan, the Fantasy Gaiea-land of the Eco-terrorists, or the Paradisiacal(and parasitic) true new-nazis, the Taliban.
41 posted on 10/25/2001 3:37:50 AM PDT by Darheel
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To: piasa
Oh, I remember them.

I just find that whatever right-wing views they hold to be overwhelmed by the views they hold which are incompatible with the political right.

But that's a discussion for a different day...

42 posted on 10/25/2001 3:38:32 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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So far right they are left...same rhetoric, often as not. Socialism/communism, all antifreedom.

The neonazis would work with middle eastern terrorists, though. I sure wouldn't doubt that, though I am pretty convinced the stuff went through from Iraq.

43 posted on 10/25/2001 3:40:37 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
But it just couldn't be Ultra-Left-wing Enviromentalist groups

You mean the democrats? How dare you even mention them! </sarcasm>

44 posted on 10/25/2001 3:41:57 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: kattracks; amom; Alamo-Girl; razorback-bert; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Bump in the night...
Bump for an interesting read, they say right wing, I say left wing envirowackos myself, but who knows for sure! If true, this blows a few theories.
45 posted on 10/25/2001 3:45:22 AM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: kattracks
Hmmmm...at first, I was starting to think it might have been domestic groups. Not a militia, but some hypocritical high tech educated/neo luddite wacko like the Unibomber. I think the Iraq scenario makes a lot of sense BUT...the US knows how to make this stuff too. Whats to say that some Ted Kazinsky type person wouldn't have the know how to hesit a small amount and send it out, along with some crudely scribbled words to make it look like the Arabs are behind it.

In the end, this COULD be moot in a matter of months. We're ramping up stockpiles of anthrax antitoxin (or so I am led to believe), and unless Iraq has come up with a way to counter THAT, their threats will be more blunted. Of course, the point of releasing it in a big stadium is that the number of cases that flood and overwhelm the infrastructure is a huge contributor to actual deaths...
46 posted on 10/25/2001 3:45:27 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: kattracks
I heard on the local CBS radio affiliate this morning that it was thought to be domestic. However, the report went on to say that the anthrax was treated by a drying agent available in only 3 countries.... The US, Russia...and Iraq!!

It sure seems that some people in government are absolutely going out of their way to deflect blame away from Iraq. It smells like a CIA disinformation campaign...

Questions:

Why do it? Do they fear war with Iraq, or do they want to keep it on the back burner until they are ready to strike?

Is their a concerted effort to discredit and attack the far right? Perhaps to tie them in with the terrorists so that extra-constitutional tools can be used against them?

Has there been any real evidence of cooperation with right wing-groups and islamic terrorists?

Your thoughts....

Mike

47 posted on 10/25/2001 3:47:00 AM PDT by MichaelP
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Soddom Hissownson, like every other of these Evil "islamic" Nazi bastards, is a gutlessly-craven mass-murdering bully.

But make no mistake, he and his ilk are gutless first and last -- and are bullies only against the powerless.

Soodom gives succor to terrorists -- and like all bullies, blusters and puffs a lot. And sleeps nights in a constantly moving Winnebago in case we bomb his "palaces" and the various holes he built himself when he thought hiding in the ground was an option. [Before he saw the results of some Desert Storm bunker busters!]

48 posted on 10/25/2001 3:53:01 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: kattracks
"Our feeling is the anthrax does not point to an international terrorist group," a well-placed source said.

"a well placed source?"

More like "Our well placed source- the greeter at Walmart who knows everything."

Gimme a break.

The post has some great reporting that most in the media don't have the cajones to print, but I'm not buying this as far as I can throw a house.

Although, does certainly remind me of the strategy misinformation tactics we brilliantly accomplished in WWII where we had Hitler thinking Patton was planning an invasion from the south, and a methodical effort using the U.S. Press in bits and pieces created at least an inkling of confusion in the enemy.

At best this is what this might be. Otherwise, why on earth would Bush be saying each time he's asked if this is linked to terrorism, "yes there are links, it is evil, it is an attack on the homeland.. etc.", but never really coming right out and saying it was Iraq or whack case Osama.

This nation has one of the most successful track records of throwing off the enemy as to strategy.

I mean hell, we bluffed our way through years and years in the cold war of not letting the Soviets know we knew they had more nukes than we did for a number of years, and then we pulled off not letting them know that we had more nukes.

Reagan pulled off the most incredible bluff in history- Gorbachev thought we might already have a Missile Defense system ready to be put on line, and the Soviet leaders came to the conclusion- and this was unbelievable that they bought it hook line and sinker- that they could not compete with such technology- the USSR literally collapsed from within based on a bluff.

In times of war, we just know how to do the bluff better than anybody, and the pyschological edge you gain from that can be tangible results.

If Sadam or Al Queda thinks for a second that the U.S. believes the anthrax is domestic, we are already screwing with their heads- they would think we are incomptetent- and that means they can base their strategy on that possibility-something that gives us an edge.

Few Americans actually realize how sophisticated our ability is in this regard.

49 posted on 10/25/2001 3:53:04 AM PDT by GotDangGenius
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To: abwehr
..... it almost looks like a fairly balanced 'hate America' list .....

Do me for one.

50 posted on 10/25/2001 3:54:50 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: kattracks
Sounds like to me, the Israeli Firsters are gettin neverous...
52 posted on 10/25/2001 4:02:10 AM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: MichaelP
Right-wing grooups in Germany have worked with Islamic terrorists.

But the interesting thing is that there is no more evidence to blame domestic terror than there is to blame middle eastern terror groups- even less evidence to blame domestic groups, since we actually have terrorists linked to the anthrax victims through the rental down in FL. We're supposed to ignore that and accept 'handwriting analysis?'

And if domestic, there is no evidence one way or another to point to their motivation other than the notes themselves, which sure don't point out any ideology other than hate, and reference Allah. The far right doesn't have a monopoly on that. You would think a terror group would at least point out something to justify its cause, rather than draw attention away from it. Why do an act at all if your point won't be understood?

In spite of the lack of evidence pointing to domestic terror, and certainly a lack of evidence toward a specific terror group or its position on the scale, the press is gobbling it up and regurgitating the info as if it comes from major known sources.

53 posted on 10/25/2001 4:04:49 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
"The only way to keep their options open is to pretend that they are still trying to figure out who did it."
"Exactly. Maybe someone sent them a photo of smallpox victims to mull over, too."

Hey, interseting scenario (good thinking, too) - I think that is a very real possibility, knowing Hussein's terror tactics like sending a chopped up body in a bag back to his wife.
I guess being an ongoing investigation, there are a lot of things we aren't beng told.

54 posted on 10/25/2001 4:04:55 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: Alas Babylon!
What advantage does blaming the right-wing give to anyone's political agenda?

Divide and conquer. You know there are those on the political left who are being eating alive by Bush's job approval ratings. Creating dissent is the singular aim of the pacifist movement. Since bringing "Give Peace a Chance" out of the mothballs wasn't working out, they've gone to this, their Plan B. Look at what they're doing:

First, they lay the groundwork for the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" theory by floating stories about hundreds of abortion mills that were targeted with phony anthrax letters.

[If there really were far right-wing groups with access to anthrax, why would they send the real stuff to the National Enquirer and the NY Post, and the fake stuff to Planned Parenthood? They wouln't. But don't count on the media to point out that gaping hole in the theory.]

In the next phase, they gradually chip away at the national unity by suggesting that black postal workers were allowed to die because of callous, uncaring, WHITE fat-cat politicians who were more than happy to throw the lower-class civil servants overboard on their way to the lifeboats. The old leftist standby: the race card. And there's the Postal Workers' Union, doing its destructive duty, like a good Union.

And now this, unnamed sources fingering right-wing anti-government hate groups (who chose the National Enquirer as their first target?????) as the source of the country's first biological attack.

This garbage has Hillary's fingerprints all over it.

55 posted on 10/25/2001 4:05:12 AM PDT by cgk
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To: abwehr
Let's keep in mind what Paul Bedard is reporting in the new edition of U.S. News about Timothy McVeigh's possible ties to Iraq that were covered up by Toon's FBI. Something about McVeigh's having Iraqui intel phone numbers on him when caught, and evidence that he met with Middle Eastern terrorists before the bombing.

We ocvered for Iraq then. We're covering for Iraq now. Unless this leak was from some Toon holdover trying to get his jollies, makes me wonder what ol' Sad-damn has on various branches of our gov't.

56 posted on 10/25/2001 4:07:55 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Hugh Akston
I agree, Uni Bomber comes to mind, also, I didn't notice CNN getting any letters.

They are well liked by both the left and Arab countries.

No self respecting right wing group would have skipped CNN, IMHO.

57 posted on 10/25/2001 4:10:01 AM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry
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To: kattracks
Speculations in this article are so lame they insult our intelligence. I suggest they release those "previously received letters" side by side with the anthrax letters we have already viewed and let us see the similarities for ourself.
59 posted on 10/25/2001 4:13:45 AM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: Hugh Akston
Not I, said the first little pig.

Tom Daschle, NOT the government, represents everything anyone should dislike about elected officials. His voting record vis-a-vis the preservation of the Constitiution of the United States of America, his oath of office vis-a-vis the same, and his shrill and unceasing party party party before country attitude up to sept 11, 2001 is enough to anger anyone with any sense of right, morality, truth, love of country, and the desire to support and defend that which the Founders gave us at such great personal risk.

This exercise in pointing fingers at something that does not exist, is more of the same old stuff perpetrated by various tax payer supported right wing hate groups, one of which for example might be named "Southern Poverty Law Center". To digest this stupidity, or the attempt at proving it isn't and "we" are, one need only break down the name into it's various parts, to know without a shadow of doubt, that it is not "SOUTHERN", has nothing to do with "POVERTY", certainly not its own anyway, and this is not the "LAW CENTER" you would chose to represent anything slightly right of center.

And now for the paragraph on right wing hate groups which I believe do not exist. It is a myth, a trojan horse, a paper tiger, a strawman. If OKC killed or put a damper on the militia movement because of who the majority "thinks" did the deed, then just a little more of the same "thinking" should pretty much take care of any group that remains with any loyalty towards government as it should be, with a foundation in the Founding Documents, and government as it has become, can get on with the destruction of that which it fears. I have said it many times here and elsewhere, militia groups do not hate the government of the United States of America. They raise the voice of vigilance, and concern for the direction their government is being taken by elected, and unelected officials. The passage of the latest terrorism bill might be an example of more of the same, except for the sunset clause four years hence.

60 posted on 10/25/2001 4:15:30 AM PDT by wita
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