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ANTHRAX PROBE SHIFTS TO HOMEGROWN HATE GROUPS
New York Post ^ | 10/25/01 | MURRAY WEISS

Posted on 10/25/2001 2:14:28 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:01:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Ultra-right-wing organizations - including a particular West Coast group - have become a key focus of the massive federal investigation into the murderous Anthrax attacks, The Post has learned.

Investigators have been zeroing in on members of several anti-government hate groups that they believe have obtained or attempted to get the deadly bacteria from several U.S.-based laboratories before it surfaced in Florida, Washington and New York this month.


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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; domesticterrorism; letters
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To: kattracks
--normal tyrannical government tactics. They need both a scary external threat, and a scary internal threat, to galvanize the herd to demand that 'something be done" and that a "firm guiding hand" takeover and save them from the untermenschen. This has been coming for years and years, carefully step by step. I am not surprised at all. The media is used to prepare people, get them thinking this.

Yep, we have real enemies from foreign lands who hate us and attack us. We also have the phenomenon of these real foreign enemies being partially created and controlled by forces higher than what it appears to be on the surface.

Yep, there mostly definetly are domestic terror groups. We also have these same domestic terror groups infiltrated by *someone*s who help direct them.

Most people in government aren't in on it,they are patriots and normal decent people, but some definetly are, and those are the ones that count in the real long haul. And they get their strings pulled by the globalist forces, who could care less about the US except as a feeding trough.

The "new world order" is not a joke, it's coming, this "they" has been working on it for a long time. it has to be done slowly so as to not provoke a response that would stifle their plans. Two steps forward for one step back they take, but over the long haul, always forward.

It's not an accident as has been pointed out you never hear the phrase "left wing extremist groups" uttered, by shamestream media or government-ANY government.

Yep, more attacks on money and the snailmail-this "they" are going to fully implement cashless society and full complete tracking in the most part, and they will be attacking the food and water at some point-they want CONTROL. They want you scared and demanding that 'government do something, anything, save me, save me, anything, just do something".

It's speeding up a lot lately, too.

101 posted on 10/25/2001 5:53:54 AM PDT by zog
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To: WyldKard
Koresh did it.
102 posted on 10/25/2001 5:59:12 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: LaGrone
So why the fixation on right wing wackos?

That's the Clintons' MO.

103 posted on 10/25/2001 6:00:18 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Hugh Akston
"I will bet anyone a six-pack of brew that IF it turns out to be a domestic group being responsible, it will turn out to be a far-left group."

Please send Rolling Rock. My hunch is that it IS linked to the Islamic groups as the past events in Florida seem to indicate, but that it is being perpetrated domestically - by one or more people out of the US, perhaps on student or H1B visas. People who know enough about bio weaponry and who have "legitimate" access to labs/equipment.

This could just be preliminary tinkering, who knows what else was planned and did not materialize?

Same with the Sept 11 attacks. I'll bet several more planes were supposed to hit targets than the ones we know about. The biggest and most "spectacular" hit, the WTC, was perhaps assigned to the most reliable terrorist and he managed to pull it off.

I just see a few dorky Islamic radicals right here, maybe in NJ at a lab or a graduate school doing something like this.

104 posted on 10/25/2001 6:00:57 AM PDT by Guna
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To: Hugh Akston
It would please liberals, neo-conservatives, and advocates of greater government power, such as national ID cards, no end if the anthrax laden letters were issued by a neo-Nazi or white separatist group. It could even be the proverbial "lone nut."

Say, for example, if in a few days, the FBI arrests a retired research chemist who lives in a rural or suburban area close to Trenton, NJ. Let's say, for example, that the suspect is a white male in his 60s, whose parents fled Eastern Europe right after the Communist takeover. Possibly those parents were members of a fascist group like the Romanian Iron Guard or the Croatian Ustashi in their homeland. Then say this person has a decades long affiliation with militant right wing groups - from the World Anti-Communist League in the 1950s to the militias in the 1990s. This would be the perfect fit for those who desire to expand government power. Surely a "patsy" like this exists, and could be set up and even egged on if some rogue group desires to provoke an incident.

Because the suspect is an older white male of nondescript appearance, the argument will be raised that everybody is a possible terrorist. The argument would then be raised that all people should present national IDs before sending a letter, or driving to another state. The grip of Big Brother will be further tightened on the American citizenry.

105 posted on 10/25/2001 6:03:43 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Hugh Akston
I understood correctly.
106 posted on 10/25/2001 6:04:51 AM PDT by sakic
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To: randita
I wish I believed that. I'm getting increasingly disenchanted with the disclaimers and demurrals coming out of Washington. It sounds to me like we're already losing steam - and we haven't even really begun. What earthly purpose could there be in announcing that the Taliban is "tough" or that we "may never get bin Laden"? What reason could there be for assigning blame for the anthrax attack to a completely unidentified group of "domestic right wingers" and somehow making it sound as if our real enemies were internal, despite the evidence of 5,000 deaths to the contrary?

I suppose it's possible that this is a disinformation campaign intended to lull Iraq or some other nation into a false sense of security. But in the meantime, it's demoralizing us and spreading a defeatist and suspicious mentality. If we can't even get serious about our resolve to push over the first domino, how are the others going to fall?

107 posted on 10/25/2001 6:07:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: kattracks
Good post. I knew that sooner or later the press would get around to blaming the Republicans.
108 posted on 10/25/2001 6:08:02 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: MindBender26
Here is something else that has been tickling my brain. I am not sure how persuasive an argument it is, though.

The act itself (of sending these letters) provides some evidence, correct? For example, one of the things that supposedly points to it being some right-wing group is that it went to liberal leaning media (if we ignore the NY Post, and we consider the tabloids to be leftist). The targets themselves can be considered evidence, right?

Well, the letters themselves had anti-American, anti-Israel, and pro-Allah concepts in them. This too would have to be considered evidence, wouldn't it? But for us to say that the evidence provided by the act points to right-wing groups, we would have to conclude that the sender was using misdirection in what they wrote, correct? They wrote "Allah is great" to throw us off, right?

Well, if they would use misdirection in one part, then isn't it reasonable to assume that they would use misdirection in other areas of the evidence they left for us, such as in who they sent it to? Why would we say "the words they put on the letter were just there to throw us off" and not consider the possibility or probability that who it was mailed to was also chosen to throw us off?

I look at this, and I think that if their goal was to target leftist media and politicians, then there was no real reason for them to expose exactly how they got the anthrax to the targets. Why make it so easy to figure out which letters spread the disease, by having the letter stand out with their announcements and their putting Sept. 11th on the letters and putting the "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" and "Allah is Great" phrases? Heck, why even make it known that the means of distribution was letters at all?

I think the fact that letters were used that jump out at us indicates that the real target here was the mail system; they (whoever is behind it) wanted to disrupt the mail system. This is, in my eyes, another attack against our economy, just as the September 11th attacks were as much an attack against our economy as anything else. That is why I am putting my belief in it being tied in with the September 11th group.

109 posted on 10/25/2001 6:08:44 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: momofsixgirls
one of the letters looked more like a copy of the other. It was exactly the same...

I'm sure it's been brought up before, but the dates do not allign. Otherwise, they do look nearly the same. It also seems like they played with the enlargement at the copier.

My guess is that the letters were written before 9/11 and were dated after. If that is true, it would point to a connection, like somebody waiting for the event before he acted.

Does anybody know if that funny A at the bottom has any meaning to a fringe group? Kinda like the anarchy symbol does.

110 posted on 10/25/2001 6:08:50 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Guna
Please send Rolling Rock. My hunch is that it IS linked to the Islamic groups as the past events in Florida seem to indicate, but that it is being perpetrated domestically - by one or more people out of the US, perhaps on student or H1B visas. People who know enough about bio weaponry and who have "legitimate" access to labs/equipment.
Being domestic is not enough to win the bet. It would have to be domestic right wing. Domestic left wing and I win the bet. Are you taking me up? :-)
111 posted on 10/25/2001 6:10:37 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: kattracks
Ultra-right-wing organizations - including a particular West Coast group - have become a key focus of the massive federal investigation into the murderous Anthrax attacks, The Post has learned.

Say, isn't Free Republic a "right-wing; West Coast" organization? Maybe that explains all the new members. I wonder what posts are most popular with the FBI agents monitoring this site?

112 posted on 10/25/2001 6:11:11 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: sakic
Are you in then? :-)
113 posted on 10/25/2001 6:11:31 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: randita

I find this very enlightening, as my girlfriend and I just went through this discussion last weekend. It was brought up that it could be coming from hate groups within our borders, purposely posed to point the finger toward the middle east. Although I disagreed with her, it is apparent that they are being mailed from with in this country. That certain groups within our borders would jump at the chance to wreak terror on our citizens, and use someone else as a scapegoat.

 

Just my nickels worth, and I’ll pick up the change on the way out

 

114 posted on 10/25/2001 6:12:27 AM PDT by Scupper
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To: Hugh Akston
I'm in.
116 posted on 10/25/2001 6:16:03 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
Deal. Everyone else, I am only putting one six on the line, so now the deal is off the table for everyone else :-)
117 posted on 10/25/2001 6:17:09 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: piasa
"Daschle represents the government, and the government is what the right-wing groups hate,"

As opposed to left wing hate groups who hate the govt AND all of us!

118 posted on 10/25/2001 6:19:09 AM PDT by America's Resolve
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To: YaYa123
Think Waco.

Think Richard Jewell

119 posted on 10/25/2001 6:20:23 AM PDT by America's Resolve
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To: kattracks
Looks like the liberal media NOW thinks RW IQs can go up 100 points in 2 months.

Until now, the liberals portrayed the RWers as knuckle dragging, half-evolved humans.
But when it suits their agenda, LWers turn around and say RWers are capable of manufacturing biological weapons.

120 posted on 10/25/2001 6:23:17 AM PDT by syriacus
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