(Caveat: Unconfirmed) China News Service and Yomiuri Report Osama and Omar Were Assassinated

Zhonghawa Shinwen and Yomiuri Shimbun ^ | 24 October 2001 | China News Service (from Reporter Sugiyama of Yomiuri in Beijing)

[d14truth]

Thank you for the 'heads up'. There is now additional conjecture of confirmation from less reputable sources {;~) than yourself---National Review Online, Rush, etc.

You should get the FreeRepublic 'Standing in the Flames' reporting award. DEVELOPING....

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thank you. Will try to websurf and check additional foreign sources of reporting (photo freelancers, Japanese/Asian TV stringers) etc. who have swarmed down there on the Pak/Afghan border.

PS I am somewhat more impressed with most recent Japanese TV reporting (TBS, NTV, Fuji and Yomiuri) because in this emergency they tend to backseat the regular bubbleheaded charlatan anchorpeople who are generalists, you know, reporters with blow dry hair who are very surface, and instead turn the spotlight (in a very Asian academic and analytical way) on geeky looking, book-wormish Japanese/Asian academics/area specialists and researchers who focus narrowly on Middle East/South Asia, or may speak Pashtu or Arabic, (and who basically were unemployable before 11 September) to be guest analysts or to go as close to the action and report back real time with satellite telecom TV units or by regular phone from their hotels.

This is often superior, IMHO than the dumbed down pablum we might witness daily and nightly on CBS, NBC, ABC or CNN (which may throw the non-specialist TV charlatans into the reporting even though they have weak or non-existent regional or cultural or linguistic credentials.)

At any rate, let's see what happens with this story which is still unconfirmed. Perhaps senior elements of the AlQaeda were taken out instead of Osama; who knows? Like others have said, "we need a carcass and DNA tests." One can at least be wishful and hopeful.

[2Jedismom]

I wonder if we'll ever know? I wonder if these bad guys will just not exist anymore and we'll just never know?

I would appreciate a "ping" if you hear anything more...

[Andrewp111]

I'm extremely sceptical without proof. It could be a plot to increase international pressure to stop the bombing. It could be Chinese disinformation. Remember, the Chinese have interests here that do not coincide with ours. And even if it is true that they are dead (however they got that way), that doesn't change very much. We still have to eliminate the entire leadership of the enemy to win this war. Osama is a very important man, and wealthy fanatics are rare and uniquely dangerous, but he is still only one man. The organization couldn't have been created without Osama, but Al Queda will live on just fine without him. We have to kill them all.

[Andrewp111]

I think post 81 is closer to the truth
>>Come on... this story would never remain covered up from Oct. 16th until Oct. 24th. It's a lie. Besides, I have a news story that says Usama is in a hideout in China proteced by uniformed armed guards..... <<
The Chinese are NOT our friends. Al Queda has 2 objectives -
(1) Overthrow of the current world order (US/EU world domination)
(2) Overthrow of the govt's of all 60 or so islamic countries and incorporation of all those countries into a Third Islamic Empire, capable of world domination, and ruled by Bin laden.
China shares the first objective, but not the second.

[willyboyishere]

How about "Bring Your Dead Martyrs to Work Day"?

[d14truth]

Osama has been kept 'alive' for over a month now. Expect that with the 'fall of Kandahar', this report will finally be confirmed, with a 'new' date for public consumption.

Evidence pointing to the next terrorist 'target' will begin turning up as well, IMHO.

[MistyCA]

What is a pike?

[Southack]

You mean he didn't just flee to Iraq??

[Constitution Day]

"What is a pike?"

Well, it depends on who you ask.

To fishermen, it's this:

However, the pike I was referring to was a medieval weapon:

Note the spear or spike on the end of the staff.

pike, n. a sharp point or spike; also : the tip of a spear
Link

Maybe "headsonpikes" can illuminate this question more fully?
Judging from his screen name, he must be the resident expert on the subject here at FR.

FRegards,
CD

[firewatch]

When I read that piece about Daigen Yanagida I was very happy to see it included his photo.I picked him up off the ice between Big Diomede(Russia) and Little Diomede(Alaska)in 1991.He was being detained by the KGB for having tried to walk across to Russia from Alaska on the ice.The border guards got him on Big Diomede when open ice prevented him from continuing. He's a free spirit,an enjoyable person to know and I wish him well. He's not all that savvy however.When I got him back to my house,he started going through the house like a kid that's got to poke into everything that's new. He picked up my 357,looked down the barrel,and pulled the trigger.I charged across the room and grabbed it from him.I said "What are you doing,are you nuts?" He said,"We don't have these in Japan!" Maybe he's just naturally curious.I hope he lives forever.

[MistyCA]

Thank you! Spike is much clearer to me!

[MistyCA]

Thank you! Spike is much clearer to me!

[Constitution Day]

Glad to be of service!

[zog]

--here's a possible for you. Note, I am not claiming this is *true facts* but it's a possible. Now jiss suppose that there's a tad more to this war than 'fighting terrorists". With osmama and yomomma and muamarmama and those gents deceased, and if it become widely known and the evidence for it overwhelming, then the talibans just might have given up fighting a long time ago, and the 'war' would have petered out. By keeping the deaths of the various taliban al queda leaders a secret, the war gets promoted, all the way into this "it'll never end" scenario, "generations" and 'we now need all these new and improved emergency powers and acts" and etc.etc. etc. and if you 'don't agree' you are a 'terrorist" by default and official US decree. This has happened already, saw it on the teevee meself.

A possibility here, nothing more. History is replete with similar whoppers promoted officially, where a situation gets exploited to the max, the classic example is the reichstagg fire, a closer in time example is the OKC "attack". How about the columbine kid shooting fiasco? that's another good 'event" to point to. Gulf of tonkin "attack", another classic example.

Personally, I pay little attention to the words spoken by politicians and political partys, I take note, I listen, but never forget they always need a translation. Governments do not speak a language other than 'govspeak", all of them, all the time. I speak "english", they speak 'govspeak" and use "blacks law guild dictionary" words and definitions, not any dictionary most normal people use. Certainly not webster's, that's for sure.

I look at what actually happens over time with all these various politicians,and political party's. Long term past historical results which can be looked at and verified conclusively today, and what they "said" back then, can be compared to today's acts and words, and then extrapolated somewhat well into the future, to see what's coming down the road.

So far, it stinks. it stinks what happened, IMO, it stunk when the setup was happening for years and years with the no borders and unlimited trade and support and propping up various international badguys. I know I was loud in speaking out against it over the years, because I knew it would lead to terrorist attacks being very possible and probable. No, didn't 'exactly" predict 9-11, but certainly did predict one of the top 5 or so metro cities would get nailed within a few years, and it's happened, despite all the protest to the contrary by the pro unlimited immigration and pro-trade with badguy regime folks. They were,, and are, wrong. I haven't forgotten who was in favor of that scene, and it all certainly wasn't all completely nobody else at all whatsoever than 'clinton", either. Nope, just a few more folks than that I think.

Rewarding that past behavior by those various people and applauding the results is a 'bad idea". Taking an absymal collasal failure that the wtc attacks represent, and allowing them to hold themselves up as some sort of galactic hero for being part of the long standing 'bad ideas" is short sighted and misguided, again, IMO. And giving them even "more" of that? Hmm, no thankee.

Again, just one guys observations, and a few questions, that's all it is.

[d14truth]

Where in the world is Mullah Omar?

Possible no longer in 'this' world?

[d14truth]

Special forces got there before the Afghanis did. Question still remains, Omar & Usama, what part of the 'caves' would they be buried in?

[d14truth]

Doesn't precisely coincide with your well thought out piece, but comes to the same conclusion---Usama's DEAD!

[d14truth]

The 'original' FReeport.

[AmericanInTokyo]

you raise some intriguing points. By the way, it took me nearly a month to see your message and now, to respond to it!