Posted on 10/23/2001 1:51:57 PM PDT by watsonfellow
First of all, to prevent the flamings, I should say that I am a strong conservative, and my number one issue is the life issue and so I am not at all a supporter of the Clintons etc.
That being said, I thought it the height of rudeness for these firemen and policemen to boo and yell at the Senator this weekend. It lacked dignity and class. I thought we conservatives were supposed to stand for such things, or perhaps this is just what we say, but do not practice.
I wonder what Burke et al would have said about this conservative embrace of very questionable manners.
The policemen and firemen should have just done nothing when she appeared on stage, no clapping, no booing, the silence would have expressed the same thing, but in a much more dignified way.
Say, do you have any Grey Poupon over on your yacht? ;->
(a)You have no idea of the political makeup of the policemen and firemen there. You also have no idea WHY they were booing, do you? Might not have anything to do with liberal vs. conservative, but with their personal frustration with her behavior toward them since 9/11 and before.
(b)We're not their keepers. And if any of these guys wants to blow off steam by booing their senator (who they might now feel they were tricked into voting for), it's just fine with me. They've earned it.
(c)Hillary earned it too.
But from reading the responses to these postings, I should realize that there is a very strong distinction between populist conservatives and more traditionalist conservatives.
There is a famous exchange between St.Thomas More and his son in law in the Play A Man for All Seasons, in which St. More declares that he would give benefit of the laws (substitute civility and manners) to the devil himself, for if he were to cut down all the laws (civility and manners) to chase the devil, when the devil turned around on him, there would be no laws (civility and manners) to protect him!
She has held herself above the common people so long that she has no clue as to their feelings about her. She held them in such disdain, she couldn't imagine there being a risk to her appearing, unannounced, at THEIR event.
Additionally, booing is an art form in NYC and were she at all connected to her constituents, she would have realized she was in for it.
The cops and firefighters and rescue personel are 'real people'. They express themselves with no apologies to anyone, regardless of idiology.
I just hope Hillary heard and understood, but somehow I doubt it.
So does the First Lady really want to start a debate about the vilification of police officers? If so, she's either got a lot of chutzpah or a mighty short memory, for the fact is, Hillary Rodham Clinton has collaborated with cop-bashers for some 30 years.
Back in her Yale Law School days, Hillary was party to one especially venomous critique of the police. At that time, she served as associate editor of a student journal which depicted city policemen as racist pigs--literally--and even seemed to glorify cop-killing.
The Yale Review of Law and Social Action was the left-wing journal of that university's law school. Its debut issue, dated spring 1970, lists Hillary Rodham as an editorial board member. She was no figurehead; Daniel Wattenberg, whose American Spectator piece first linked Hillary to the law journal, uncovered a Review source who recalls that Rodham, for instance, gave a detailed, sympathetic critique for an article entitled, "Jamestown 70."
A special double issue of the Yale Review during Hillary's editorial service focused on the legal travails of the Black Panthers. In 1970 and '71, several Panthers stood trial in New Haven for the torture-murder of fellow Panther Alex Rackley. On the same page as an unsigned article describing the police raid on the New Haven headquarters of the Black Panther Party following the murder, the Review ran a cartoon showing hairy pigs, snot dripping from their noses, marching with rifles in hand. As they oink and mutter "kill" aloud, the bubble above their heads has them thinking, "niggers, niggers, niggers."
The same issue has another pig-cop cartoon showing a horribly wounded pig-cop on crutches. He got what he deserved, explains the cartoon text. After all, a pig is "a foul depraved traducer." Yet further on comes a third drawing of a pig-cop, this one dismembered by gunfire. The headline above the decapitated head: "Seize the Time!"--the slogan of the Black Panthers.
What, if anything, did Mrs. Clinton know about these cartoons? Her silence about her earlier radical politics makes it impossible to know. But Hillary and her fellow Yale Review editors were undoubtedly career-minded activists, not the kind of hotheads reckless enough to lend their names to a magazine over which they had no control or knowledge. Besides Hillary, the editors included her friend Sol Stein, whom President Clinton named to the federal bench in 1995, and Greg Craig, the high-visibility attorney who saved President Clinton during impeachment and then saved Castro during the Elian Gonzalez seizure. (Craig tells The American Enterprise the cartoons are abhorrent and denies any involvement.)
Today, Hillary keeps company with cop-basher par excellence Al Sharpton, who seems to view just about any police officer in a minority neighborhood as a "white interloper" (his phrase). She issues responsible-sounding warnings against pre-judging cops, yet characterizes Amadou Diallo as having been "murdered" (a comment later described as a slip of her tongue). She is building her New York Senate campaign on odes to family values and law and order. So which is the real Hillary?
Her record--campus radical in the late '60s and early '70s, supervisor of the Legal Services Corporation during its most loony-activist phase under Jimmy Carter, and her late 1980s tutelage of the New World Foundation when it played sugar daddy to the hard Left--renders Hillary Clinton's current incarnation as a pragmatic centrist highly dubious.
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Since Mrs. Clinton is the one who registered the complaint about vilifying officers of the law, she ought to explain whether her own views have changed. Or has she just changed her stripes to match political realities--like Bobby Seale, the graying Black Panther who now explains, "I'm not going around saying, 'Off the pig'; You got to meet the climate of the times, man."
BTW, where can I get a supply of the rasberry "tooters" that mimic flatulence. They would be useful on her next "listening tour" in Bflo.
This is Republican country club BS. We are at war. War is not an afternoon tea. It's time to take the gloves off. I applaud the people for booing Hillery.
So what if she was elected a Senator.
This is America: We've never, ever treated our politicians with respect and civility in America. It's our way. We've treated them like servants, which they are.
I think the fact that she was roundly booed shows that the Great American Experiment is still mostly on track.
Why do you wish to elevate Hillary above her station?
We should let our numbers be known!! Boo loudly!! It just may sway some undecided voters that never hear the press criticize klinton.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
You are right about that, of course. Hooray for public opinion...this time.
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