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1 posted on 10/22/2001 12:32:06 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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2 posted on 10/22/2001 12:44:09 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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It's understandable that the Fed would try and find some way to legally skirt the second ammendment in their efforts to complete turning free citizens into subjects of the regime. What's sad is that the judges and lawyers will continue to play into their hands as long as they can make a buck doing so. ....... It's pretty clear what the second ammendment means, and it ceratinly doesnt take a bunch of supposed geniuses to explain it to the everyday citizens. No restrictions, no conditionals, no government oversight ...... Now, if I have been CONVICTED of a felony and thereby surrendered the privaleges of citizenship, thats a different story. Until then, they can take our guns or force us to register for a national id card over our dead bodies
3 posted on 10/22/2001 12:45:48 PM PDT by thusevertotyrants
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"But it will surely be very difficult for any conscientious Supreme Court justice to write, as other federal appeals judges have, that the Second Amendment is just about the National Guard and that there is no individual right to keep and bear arms.

Nah, to many on the Court that oath they took to defend the Constitution meant nothing. Thankfully, there is honor, even among politicians, lawyers and judges. Just not much.

4 posted on 10/22/2001 12:48:54 PM PDT by 4CJ
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5 posted on 10/22/2001 12:56:34 PM PDT by Fixit
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The latest Gun Week has news of an adverse Second Amendment ruling in an Oklahoma federal court case involving machine gun manufacture and possession--anybody got more info on that?
6 posted on 10/22/2001 2:12:34 PM PDT by rellimpank
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7 posted on 10/22/2001 2:21:55 PM PDT by medusa
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Both the collective-rights and the sophisticated collective-rights theories have been endorsed by other federal appeals courts. They have often cited the only U.S. Supreme Court case on the Second Amendment, United States v. Miller, decided in 1939, in which the panel ruled that a federal ban on sawed-off shotguns did not violate the Second Amendment.

Aaarghh! I can't take it anymore! This is the second time in as many months that I have read a PRO-GUN writer repeating this lie about U.S v. Miller. The whole country must be going illiterate, thanks to our pathetic public schools. It's bad enough that the gun-grabbers spread lies which rob us of our 2nd Amendment rights; it's really pathetic when our side believes and repeats them!

In U.S. v. Miller, the Supreme Court HELD that the 2nd Amendment gives an individual the right to own any firearm that could reasonably be used in his presumed role as a member of the militia, i.e. any firearm which could reasonably be used for military purposes. The court REMANDED the case to the lower court for a factual finding on whether the sawed-off shotgun in question met this test. Though in its DICTA the court said it was not aware of such a use for sawed-off shotguns, it left this finding of fact to the lower court. Had the case ever been reheard in the lower court, or for that matter if either of the plaintiffs had been present at the Supreme Court hearing or had legal representation there, the fact would certainly have come out that indeed short-barreled shotguns were used in WWI in trench warfare--sufficient evidence to meet the criteria which the Supreme Court had established for upholding the plaintiffs' 2nd Amendment right to own these guns.

The case was never reheard in the lower court, as one of the plaintiffs (Miller) had died a month before the Supreme Court hearing and the other (Layton) subsequently accepted a plea bargain under he which he received a probation-only sentence.

Please 2A troops, go forth and stamp out the dangerous myth that U.S. v. Miller went against us. We can't afford to have OUR side spouting this, just when the courts are starting to turn back towards an honest reading of the 2nd Amendment.

9 posted on 10/22/2001 8:50:10 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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11 posted on 10/24/2001 8:23:02 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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12 posted on 10/24/2001 8:23:30 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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