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Self ^ | 10/21/2001 | MHGinTN

Posted on 10/21/2001 10:47:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN

Okay, it's time to get active, Freepers! As Lazamataz has said, 'We are 50,000 strong and a force to be reckoned with.'

He's right, ya know. We are a well connected army of eyes and ears. Here's a few things we can do in this war against terrorists in our country.

First, always take a camera with you when you leave the house to go shopping, take the kids to functions, go to work, in short, whenever you're going to be in the public sector. Why? Because a call to the FBI is one thing, but a call with photographs to document your story is far more with which the FBI or local law enforcement can work.

'Well,' you might say, 'Someone else is doing this, so I don't need to.' No, you and I are the someone else! This is our country. The FBI is under staffed, and I would prefer it stay that way. That means they can use some help in information gathering ... let them do the contact work, while we gather the data, and the better the data the better the contact potentials.

'Okay,' you might say, 'I'll take pictures if I see something my antenna says is suspicious, but what the heck do I do with that?' Well, don't just take pix, make a diary-type reference to your reason for taking the pix. Also, be mindful of things like tag numbers and any identifying characteristics you might see and/or record with the camera. It is a well know fact that witnesses don't remember as well as a 'frozen segment of time', a photograph.

You might wonder which citizens are the most likely to see suspicious things that a camera would help to nail, and I would answer everyone who goes into the public sector has the potential to see something suspicious. We Freepers could be more observant and more conscientious in our alert, and thus it might just be that we Freepers would have the camera and the foresight to record in pix and word what we and others see that is suspicious. Let's not leave it to someone else; let's take the initiative to be the ones doing the data collecting; I keep the FBI hotline number hanging from my puter desk, and I've used it once already.

Lastly, I say also go armed; if your state has a concealed carry permit, get one and learn to handle a personal defense weapon ... with the emphasis on personal defense, not law enforcement; the professionals are still our best resource when time permits; we're talking about collecting data, not killing suspects. The major emphasis ought be to collect data for the professionals who are over-worked and under-staffed for this crisis. It is our country, and we ought think enough of it to at least upgrade our alert status ... we are the eyes and ears of this nation's security on the domestic front.

If we expect our law enforcement people to be proactive instead of merely reactive, we have to give them the data to work with! Terrorist plan their strikes, sometimes for months or years. Until our national policy is wholesale deportation, we must be more alert to the planners and plotters, and we can do that without violating civil rights while asserting our responsibilities as citizens. Besides, if we expect people to be deported, it doesn't hurt to have pictures and descriptions of suspicious activity when the authorities get around to picking the deportees ... if loose lips sink ships, sharp eyes save lives.

I keep reading about how the Islamic community isn't supporting the terrorists, but until the Muslims of America begin to turn in the radicals, siditious, miscreants and criminals amongst them, we the people must get active in our own defense ... cameras with explanation of pictures is a great way to do it. I'm certain the Freeper family will now post FBI, CIA, and NSA phone numbers that can be used for contact when suspicious activity is seen and recorded. I would rather be mistaken 100 times and right one vital time than uninvolved and totally vulnerable. How about you, fellow Freeper?


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To: Angelique; tame; Alamo-Girl; backhoe; Hugh Akston; Ragtime Cowgirl; LarryLied; kathleenlisson...
I want to thank all of you who participated or read through the thread; please continue to add any anecdotal stories that pertain.

We the people must become more active in our own defense and photgraphs accompanied by a good explanation is one way to do it. Let's stay alert ... LET'S ROLL!

81 posted on 10/21/2001 9:12:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Marv, Good advice. I'm dusting off the camera, and certainly keeping my eyes wide open. Thanks for the bump!

DocBrian

82 posted on 10/21/2001 9:24:48 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: MHGinTN
Thank you for the flag.
83 posted on 10/21/2001 9:52:48 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Zordas
Don't expect much response if you turn information in. I've made two calls to the FBI with serious stuff. "Hey, thanks for the call, we'll see you later." They will get your name & birth-date. The E-mail route is easier; do both. 60 posted by Zordas Would that FBI web addy be http://www.FBI.gov?
84 posted on 10/21/2001 10:05:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Funny how I happened upon this thread as just tonight my wife's son and I were talking about his new neighbors in an apartment above his---two Arab dudes.

Anyway, he had a day off and wasn't feeling much pain so he went and knocked on their door. He said their accents were very heavy and it kinda suprised him. They offered him a beer (Mickey's Big Mouth malt liqour).

He also said that since then, they've been very low-key and not very visible. Definately worth another look IMO.

85 posted on 10/21/2001 10:07:46 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: budwiesest
Sharp eyes save lives. It might amaze you what the experts can pull up from an average photograph, even one taken through a window.
86 posted on 10/21/2001 10:17:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
I want to thank all of you who participated or read through the thread; please continue to add any anecdotal stories that pertain.

We the people must become more active in our own defense and photgraphs accompanied by a good explanation is one way to do it. Let's stay alert ... LET'S ROLL!


Heads will ROLL! ! Taliban DiaperHeads! ;-)


87 posted on 10/22/2001 2:09:18 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Huggy
"I do it (surveillance) for a living."

Got any Laurie Dhue pics you'd sell?

Heh-heh!

88 posted on 10/22/2001 2:17:38 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: MHGinTN
Here's a "still on duty" bump!
89 posted on 10/22/2001 7:32:03 AM PDT by ConservativeLawyer
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To: Don Myers; MHGinTN
Don, you'd be serving the country well just to keep an eye on Daschle, help spread Daschle facts to the S.D. voters... Homefront Security ping!

Thanks for the ping and your push for vigilance and activism. (^:

90 posted on 10/22/2001 7:38:35 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: ladygrace
Well the license numbers are still important -- if only to lead to the rental car company and someone else to confirm your observations. Contemporaneous observations carry more weight with the law if you write them down ASAP. Memory fades and plays tricks.
91 posted on 10/22/2001 9:14:49 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Huggy
I do it (surveillance) for a living. Great ideas everyone

Welcome aboard! And feel free to share some of your expertise.

92 posted on 10/22/2001 9:17:02 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MHGinTN
BTTT
93 posted on 10/22/2001 9:21:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: MHGinTN
We really are on the same page, I just posted this on another thread:

I think I am going to write a big vanity essay called something like "Ask the Question: Are You a U.S. Citizen"?

We need to get pro-active and get in their faces. We can't let our PC nice-guy attitude thwart our efforts to separate the wheat from the chaff. We can't let the "Mohammed Attas" just glide along under the radar, they need to be challenged on the streets and in the shops. The FBI is too busy, and the INS won't do it, so WE have to!

"Are you a US Citizen?" can be followed up easily. If "yes", then ask "where are you form, and when did you come to America?" If they get huffy, so what? This is a WAR! The "Attas" are using our niceness to kill us. If they say "no", then ask what kind of visa they are on, and when it expires. Just use a nice and friendly tone of voice. If they get huffy, ask them why, since we are at war and the enemy who killed 5000 Americans were on expired visas.

In many cases, it might be a good idea to pull out a camera and take a picture on the spot. It's (still) a free country, if no threats are made, taking a photo is perfectly legal. If thousands of Americans develop their own personal photo albums, these pictures can be used later to assist the FBI in discovering the identity of terrorists.

Imagine if someone had snapped a photo of Atta having lunch last year with a few moslem arabs who are still at large, and unknown?

That photo would be priceless today, and could be used by the FBI to stop the next 9-11 level attack, or the anthrax mailers.

36 posted on 10/22/01 8:58 AM Pacific by Travis McGee

94 posted on 10/22/2001 9:24:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Outstanding, Trav! Bump to the top!
95 posted on 10/22/2001 9:33:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN; harpseal; Squantos; pocat; blam; Lent; KitJ; patent; rebdov; boris; JeepInMazar...
Thanks for posting this thread.

The only thing that I would add to the photo intell collection is that I would actually ask them "Are you a U.S. citizen", to really smoke them out pro-actively.

96 posted on 10/22/2001 9:59:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Are you an American citizen?
97 posted on 10/22/2001 10:03:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, they will lie and say yes they are US citizens, but that shouldn't deter the snapping of a photo or two! The emphasis is getting active if the antenna go up and suspicious activity is occurring. The confrontational thing is not constructive unless the 'visitors' are trying to gain access to a restricted area or are doing more than video taping a store or mall area. The idea is to be observatnt, not confrontational ... but if you work at a sensitive job/site that calls for be proactive, confrontational, as a public service for gracious sakes.
98 posted on 10/22/2001 10:11:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: AppyPappy
Damn right, and with non-citizen terrorists running around loose killing us, I would be glad to prove it.

Of course, I don't fit the "profile", having blue eyes and an American accent, so you might want to spend a bit more attention on the Mohammed Atta lookalikes with thick accents.

99 posted on 10/22/2001 10:16:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: MHGinTN
That's fine, if they say "yes, I am a citizen", the followup can be "Great! Where were you born?", and on to the next question.
100 posted on 10/22/2001 10:19:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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