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Posted on 10/20/2001 3:26:18 PM PDT by earaiak

I called the Hackensack location (because I grew sick of the false alarms and rumors) and this information is true. Guys be careful a notice just came to me from someone that works in Costco. 2 Arabic guys bought more than $35,000.00 dollars worth of candy, in Wayne $15,000.00 & in Hackensack $20,0000.00. After they left they found out their Costco i.d was fake, & they paid the whole thing cash. The F.B.I. was notified just be careful with your kids for trick o' treating on Halloween!!! i just thought u wanted to know that. DON"T LET THOSE KIDS GO OUT FOR HALLOWEEN!


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To: earaiak
BTTT
21 posted on 10/20/2001 8:17:37 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Tarakotchi
How are 2 arabic guys going to hand out $35,000 of candy?

Not only that, but what do you suppose they could do to the candy undetected to taint it? I suppose they might try using hypodermics to inject poison/anthrax/smallpox into the candy, but they'd have to be very careful not to leave an obvious hole.

Oh boy. Let's hope this is just a coincidence. Maybe the men were just trying to restock their convenience store in a hurry, and didn't have time for the niceties of a valid card? Not that we shouldn't try to track these guys down, but perhaps the simpler explanation in this case is the correct one.

22 posted on 10/20/2001 8:34:15 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Oh boy. Let's hope this is just a coincidence. Maybe the men were just trying to restock their convenience store in a hurry, and didn't have time for the niceties of a valid card? Not that we shouldn't try to track these guys down, but perhaps the simpler explanation in this case is the correct one.

Convenience store owners, or their employees, either have accounts with places like Costco and Sams, or pay by check, not in cash.

23 posted on 10/20/2001 8:55:53 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
"Not only that, but what do you suppose they could do to the candy undetected to taint it?"

The same way they distribute anthrax now: send out a lot of "packages", but only load up a small percentage with the real thing. In this thread, there's a report of an arab buying a large quantity of candy, then returning it. The police "checked" it, and then it was put back on the shelf. Does anyone believe that every piece of candy in that lot was tested for every possible contaminant?

I am advising everyone I know to not by any halloween candy, and to not allow their children to accept any -- even "from people we know", since it can be tainted at the retail level.

24 posted on 10/20/2001 9:56:26 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Tarakotchi
How are 2 arabic guys going to hand out $35,000 of candy?

With 70 virgins each, it can be done.

25 posted on 10/21/2001 12:12:39 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Not only that, but what do you suppose they could do to the candy undetected to taint it? I suppose they might try using hypodermics to inject poison/anthrax/smallpox into the candy, but they'd have to be very careful not to leave an obvious hole.

I had to get a shot a few days ago - the first time in years - and I hardly felt the needle its was so thin. I suspect it wouldn't be too hard to do it and still have it go undetected. When I was a kid we just looked for opened wrappers. Anything that appeared sealed (like those bite sized Snickers bars) I wouldn't look twice at.

26 posted on 10/21/2001 12:18:13 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
I think there's a little hysteria in here, I wait to hear something from the Gov. If we don't hear anything it pays to be cautious.

That said, If anyone wanted to taint candy they wouldn't have to unwrap anything. With Anthrax, all they would have to do is make a razor slit in the seam of the package and deliver the anthrax into the package. Maybe they could thermally reseal the opening, but it's not necessary. That's it...job done. Well, then they would have to get the candy into the system.
27 posted on 10/21/2001 6:43:43 AM PDT by earaiak
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To: Tarakotchi
How are 2 arabic guys going to hand out $35,000 of candy?

By moving it back into stores owned by a Moslem terrorist. Or walk into a regular store and put bags of candy back on the shelves.

28 posted on 10/21/2001 7:40:25 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: earaiak
Does Costco even carry $35,000 worth of candy? What kind of Semi were the terrorists driving to haul off that much candy? How are they going to give out said candy? How do you carry $35,000.00 in cash?
29 posted on 10/21/2001 7:48:14 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Tarakotchi
How are 2 arabic guys going to hand out $35,000 of candy?

... by returning the tainted candy to the store for others to buy. I live near one of the stores where this alledgedly happened. The candy was returned AND PUT BACK ON THE SHELVES!

30 posted on 10/21/2001 7:48:16 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
What kind of Semi were the terrorists driving to haul off that much candy? How are they going to give out said candy? How do you carry $35,000.00 in cash?

And if they bought PEZ, they would not only need the candy, but the dispensers.


31 posted on 10/21/2001 8:57:26 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: earaiak
BTTT
32 posted on 10/21/2001 9:23:06 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Not that we shouldn't try to track these guys down, but perhaps the simpler explanation in this case is the correct one.

Of course, another thing to note is that they wouldn't have to do anything to the candy to make everyone paranoid. Just the fact that some suspicious people have bought large amounts of candy is in and of itself sufficient to cause widespread fear.

33 posted on 10/21/2001 10:45:25 AM PDT by supercat
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To: buickmackane; earaiak; demnomo; proud2bRC
SMALL POX AND HALLOWEEN CANDY- A short primer on viral disease transmission

A short primer on viral disease transmission. Many viral diseases are transmitted via fomites:

fomite

SYLLABICATION: fo·mite
PRONUNCIATION: fmt
NOUN: An inanimate object or substance that is capable of transmitting infectious organisms from one individual to another.
ETYMOLOGY: Back-formation from New Latin fmits, pl. of Latin fmes, tinder, from fovre, to warm. See dhegwh- in Appendix I.

In other words, you touch something, get the virus on your hand, then touch you face, mouth, nose or other mucus membrane.

Candy wrappers would be a perfect fomite because the act of handling the candy wrapper occurs immediately before the contact with the mouth.

In other words, no need to inject anything.

Just a light dusting of smallpox virus in the form or a powder. If done correctly it would be undetectable.

And unlike anthrax, which requires thousands of huge bacterial spores be inhaled into the lungs, relatively few microscopic smallpox viruses would be required. And nasal exposure would be sufficient to cause full blown infection, whereas nasal exposure with anthrax is relatively harmless.

No trick or treating for my kids this year.

Journal of American Medical Association's Article on "Smallpox as a Biological Weapon - Medical and Public Health Management

34 posted on 10/21/2001 6:36:44 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: woofie
I live 30 miles from Nebo, KY.
35 posted on 10/21/2001 6:44:27 PM PDT by auggy
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I read from another post, that smallpox germs can be lightly sprayed over the candy wrappers. Once, the kids open the candy by touching the wrappers and place the candy in their mouths, the germ is on their hands. Smallpox is very contagious, from what I understand. This would be one of the easiest disease's to spread.

All we can do is pray.

36 posted on 10/21/2001 6:53:11 PM PDT by auggy
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To: auggy
Follow-up story from today's edition of The Record:

FBI: Candy purchases seem legitimate


Monday, October 22, 2001

By MITCHEL MADDUX and PETER POCHNA
Staff Writers

A man who used cash to buy large amounts of candy from Costco stores in Hackensack and Wayne last week is not suspected of any terrorist activity, the FBI said Monday.

"We do not have any evidence that suggests that the purchases of these items was not for legitimate purposes," said Sandra Carroll, an FBI spokesperson in Newark.

The FBI detained the man "for reasons unrelated to the purchases," Carroll said. A law enforcement source who did not want to be identified said the man is a foreign national who was being held for immigration law reasons.

The candy, meanwhile, has been found, Carroll said.

News reports about the $15,000 cash purchases prompted public concern about the safety of Halloween candy.

However, Carroll emphasized that the FBI would notify the public whenever it came across credible information that poses a health concern.

This appeared at http://www.bergen.com/crisis/candy200110221.htm

37 posted on 10/22/2001 5:43:32 PM PDT by buickmackane
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To: supercat
I remember going off around 5 blocks...maybe more, one huge Halloween when I was little (only around 8 years ago)
38 posted on 10/22/2001 6:48:29 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Don Joe
I would advise folks to make home-made halloween candy and sweets this year and hand them out.
39 posted on 10/22/2001 6:49:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: buickmackane
Yet there were other purchases......at least this is legit though.
40 posted on 10/22/2001 6:54:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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