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"How dare you call us communist China Communist China has become history" - Chinese APEC Tantrum
South China Morning Post ^ | 10-19-01 | VIVIEN PIK-KWAN CHAN

Posted on 10/18/2001 4:27:42 PM PDT by tallhappy

Friday, October 19, 2001
Anger as minister blames Taipei for row over envoy

VIVIEN PIK-KWAN CHAN in Shanghai

China's dispute with Taiwan over who should represent Taipei at the summit exploded into an open row at a press conference in Shanghai yesterday.

Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan told journalists at the end of the two-day ministerial meeting that Taipei should be blamed for the dispute, which left the island's representation at the Apec leaders' summit unresolved.

Mr Tang angrily reprimanded a Taiwanese reporter for using the term "communist China", a common term used by Taiwan, when asking a question.

Mr Tang said: "This is Shanghai, a big city on Chinese soil. How dare you call us communist China. Communist China has become history. Such a term no longer exists."

The row centres on Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian's decision to name retired vice-president Li Yuan-zu to represent him. Taiwan, which joined Apec as an "economy" but not as a country after China's objections, is not allowed to send a top political leader to the summit. Mr Li is scheduled to leave Taiwan today for the two-day leaders' summit starting tomorrow, but has yet to receive an invitation from China.

"Taiwan authorities are the ones to be blamed for the envoy row. Such disputes should not have occurred in the first place," Mr Tang said. He accused Taipei of conspiring to cast a shadow over China's hosting of the summit.

"I believe there's some delicate political plot behind [the row]," he said.

"We provide opportunities and facilities to all Apec economies without discrimination. And we welcome all member economies to participate in this meeting," he said.

Taiwan Economic Affairs Minister Lin Hsin-I, answering another question, said Mr Li was picked because he was the best candidate but he had been forced to postpone his departure.

On one occasion, as US Secretary of State Colin Powell and Russia's Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov looked on, Mr Tang - who was chairing the press conference - tried to block Mr Lin from commenting further.

"I don't think it is necessary. It is unnecessary to waste time on such a trivial subject," said Mr Tang while signalling to a press officer not to allow Mr Lin to comment. Past Apec forum hosts have been more flexible in accepting Taiwan's envoy.

Early yesterday in Taipei, Mr Chen called Beijing's actions a "total disregard of protocol".

Taiwan's Foreign Minister, Tien Hung-mao, last night hinted that the island might decline to take part in the summit and accused the mainland of "unreasonable treatment".

Taipei was led to believe the mainland would follow "past precedents" of Apec summits, but Beijing decided instead to dictate more stringent terms without consultation with Taiwan, Mr Tien said.

"It was regrettable that the mainland did not keep its promises," he said. "We would like to take this opportunity to protest.

"The Government of the Republic of China (Taiwan) is determined to maintain its national sovereignty and dignity and this position shall not change merely because of mainland China's efforts to stifle us."

If Taiwan fails to send an envoy to Shanghai, its leader may be represented by Mr Lin, the most senior economic official at the Apec meeting.


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To: DoughtyOne
I'm not sure I'd go with greedy communists,

Oh, yeah. Greedy is the word. China isn't so much communist anymore. The aim of the dictators and the military is really the same, economic spoils. Their children all come over here to get educated and to make some contacts. Then they return home and have daddy set them up in some lucrative concession, such as, making the bottles for all of the Pepsi sold on the mainland.

Capitalism is emerging quickly. The Chinese have been traders and dealmakers for 4,000 years, unlike the poor Russian peasants who've been serfs for 4,000 years. It's becoming a regular free-for-all in Red China, but without the protections of our rule of law, especially regarding anti-trust, extortion, and kickbacks.

63 posted on 10/18/2001 11:00:44 PM PDT by DJtex
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To: juval
yes, this is all true too bad they arent using it to truly benefit the people and the economy...rather than building their war machine....
64 posted on 10/18/2001 11:08:35 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: juval
Oh yeah. They're concerned about population decline. That's why they're executing people for Tax evasion, practicing religion and other such things.

LOL. They're still communists. They still occupy Tibet. They're not friendly and harmless.

65 posted on 10/18/2001 11:09:49 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: juval
Not when you add in all the bribes that are neccessary to do ANYTHING over there...
66 posted on 10/18/2001 11:18:13 PM PDT by piasa
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To: DJtex
Somewhere along the way people have been somewhat confused as to what communism, socialism, democracy, republics and capitalism are. If the capitalism that flourishes in the United States today can do so despite the rampant socialism that has basicly taken over here, then it can also flourish in China under communism.

China is still a centrally controlled government that has no intentions of relinquishing any of it's power. Those that ignore this do so at their own peril.

67 posted on 10/18/2001 11:21:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: juval
"China wants to follow the one-party, authoritarian path of economic development that made Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc."

Seems as though some of this list had a little help from us after WWII. As in the complete rebuilding of their nations at little or no cost to them. Granted, the Klintoons did everything they could to help China, but it was no Marshall Plan.

If having a two party system is so bad economically, then why are we still the world's leader? Even when the Demonrats were in power.

71 posted on 10/19/2001 1:01:23 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: juval
I see Juval is our ChiCom propagandist du jour.

Checked in just to disrupt for the APEC summit, did you?

72 posted on 10/19/2001 1:21:16 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Riley
How about Berkley, China?
73 posted on 10/19/2001 1:26:00 AM PDT by scooby
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To: Antoninus
Welllllllllllll, Chung Guo means Center Kingdom. . . though there's some slight argument about the parameters and implications. . . most have felt the sense of them feeling they were the CENTER of THE Universe, of all existence still reigns. It almost seems genetic. People from the next neighborhood will get a higher price because they are considered less human--at least less worthy . . . in a sense.

If you're not a close relative or friend, you are ripe for being taken advantage of, used, abused, stepped on, etc. . . ."and only a fool wouldn't."

I suppose we could call them the Center of Arrogance. . . .murder your own kids and grand kids a la Tienanmen if necessary to prop up your power mongering and pride.

74 posted on 10/19/2001 3:03:59 AM PDT by Quix
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To: tallhappy
Feelings! Communist Chinese have got feelings! (sarcasm)

What a bunch of lunatic losers

75 posted on 10/19/2001 3:06:20 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: tallhappy
Mr Tang said: "This is Shanghai, a big city on Chinese soil. How dare you call us communist China. Communist China has become history. Such a term no longer exists."

This is going to seriously depress Bill and Hillary Clinton.

79 posted on 10/19/2001 4:46:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: tallhappy
Call it the Third Way.
80 posted on 10/19/2001 6:27:01 AM PDT by jungleboy
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