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To: JHavard
Ye of little faith! Grilling me for not responding quickly on an issue that you spent 2 weeks researching before replying? And I replied at length within hours, and you answered my questions with more questions (I'm still waiting on your elaboration of your theory about when James became a believer.) Shame on you! ;-)

Seriously, I don't mean to keep you in suspense. As I said before, I want to give you a thorough response. I'll have something for you, perhaps later today, although I can tell you in advance that you probably won't like my answer.

And don't worry, I'm still not sure about you either - whether you're just playful or snide. Without the little smily face you use, I would probably tip towards the latter. I'll write more later. Christ bless.

25,007 posted on 02/07/2002 9:28:35 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Ye of little faith! Grilling me for not responding quickly on an issue that you spent 2 weeks researching before replying? And I replied at length within hours, and you answered my questions with more questions (I'm still waiting on your elaboration of your theory about when James became a believer.) Shame on you! ;-)

Little faith? I have no faith in man, and I have no problem admitting that.

Grilling you for not responding? You didn't so much as acknowledged it. 75% 0f your rebuttal to me was hinged on your belief that Joseph had children to another wife prior to Mary, and I answered to that belief.

You said nothing about considering my post, but on the post concerning the "firstborn", and you ended your last post to me #24347 by saying, that your "belief comes from the Orthodox tradition and not from scripture."

From that I had no way of knowing if that meant the subject was closed or what, so I waited since yesterday, and that's why I mentioned it.

You said you were going to get help from someone at your church on the subject of "firstborn" not the subject of "Mary Ever Virgin".

As far as my comments on James, 1 Cor 15:7, where Paul said, "After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles."

If you will take the time to read what I said, here are my words.

Jesus put his money where his mouth was. He had told them that a spiritual brother was even more of a true brother then a blood brother, such as James, who wasn’t a believer at that time, but it looks as though that may have changed shortly afterwards since the apostle Paul said that Christ saw James alone 1 Cor 15:7, and this was quite possibly when James gave his life to his Lord.

”It looks as though.”…. Now does that sound like a dogmatic statement of revealed truth? I personally would not stake my life on any speculation I make, or on what I think the Bible says or what it doesn’t say, even though I do give God thanks for knowledge he does give me, that’s not coming from an organized church, and that certainly was one of them, but it was scripture that tied it all to Jesus and his brothers.

You didn’t say why Christ made a separate visit to see James though, why do you think he did?

The reason I take so long on a post, is because I have no Church Doctrine to turn to, or booklets on the subject, and I research every bit of what I write by my self, and if it weren’t for “Spell Check” you’d accuse me of speaking in tongues to hide my real beliefs. Lol (^g^) JH

25,068 posted on 02/07/2002 10:27:12 AM PST by JHavard
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