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Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
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[SoothingDave]

I didn't call the Steelers sissys or any such thing.Thems fightin' words. Dirty play is dirty play.

That's true. But sometimes you have to let the winner gloat a bit. It is one of the spoils that adhere to the victor.

SD

[trad_anglican]

A fast is one thing. Doing it just because someone else did it or is doing it is hardly useful. Fasting is an appropriate tool when it has meaning. Doing it once a year because you are commanded to by your church is not what I'd consider an effective use. Doing something for the wrong reasons doesn't make it wise or profitable. It just makes it an outward look. All surface, no substance.

Even if every word in this statement were true, that would not justify making fun of another's spiritual exercises. Are you able to see into men's hearts to discern their true motives? If you believe you can then you have made yourself into a god. If not, then you should follow God in your way and leave it to Him to judge why others do what they do.

[american colleen]

Why don't you just ask SoothingDave if he, and others, have claimed the Catholic Encyclopedia is not an official Church Document and cannot be used as an example of "Church Teaching".

I think you should ask him.

[SoothingDave]

I don't remember saying that. I do remember seeing someone else say it and my commenting on it's relevance. Oops, I did something uncatholic didn't I, put something into context..

We dismissed the argument as silly, and you stood up for the original poster. I see now you weren't backing him up, you were just taking the opportunity to bother me.

SD

[Havoc]

Exists where? In your and woodkirk's fevered minds? Please continue arguing with the dictionary and all rational beings. It really helps to set us apart.

I don't have to argue with the dictionary, I quoted from it and it says precisely what I said. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the dictionary writers. I didn't attempt to comment on the substance of your argument, only on whether a definition was valid or not, and the definition is most definitely valid.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Back before Vatican II, they'd come over and switch channels on your TV, so you wouldn't have to get up out of your La-Z-Boy.

Can you send one over here to push the button on my remote, Becky won't do it. :)

BigMack

[IMRight]

To be fair. The Baptists were there with us from the beginning (no, not that beginning). When Roe v. Wade came out, there were actually protestant "churches" that lobbied for the decision (I put "churches" in quotes not because there are no real protestant churches, but because I consider no entity that supports abortion as a church). The Southern Baptists (and similar churches) were shoulder to shoulder with the Catholic/Orthodox defense of life. Other denominations have come around, but don't leave the Baptists out of this boat.

[SoothingDave]

This is supposed to somehow be scandalous, but the truth is that the Catholic Encyclopedia is put out by laymen. And while it is useful, if anything it says is in conflict with an official teaching then the official teaching (obviously) is official.

SD

[Iowegian]

How many of us believe they are on some kind of an RCC payroll?

I'll admit when I first started posting here, I wondered about this, but now I just think they're average Joe's just like us. But I do wonder how effective they are at their real jobs, since the spend all day on here and if this is a good witness for the Lord. PS I'm at home for lunch. ;)

[IMRight]

Back before Vatican II, they'd come over and switch channels on your TV, so you wouldn't have to get up out of your La-Z-Boy.

Actually, my father used to do that for Jewish families on the Sabbath. Angelo, what were they called? something-boys?

[SoothingDave]

I don't have to argue with the dictionary, I quoted from it and it says precisely what I said. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the dictionary writers. I didn't attempt to comment on the substance of your argument, only on whether a definition was valid or not, and the definition is most definitely valid.

Bovine scat! You found a dictionary to tell you that tokos can mean "interest or usury" but that is not the same as finding a dictionary that tells you that "Theotokos" means "God Bearer." Why you continue with this charade is beyond me.

Please show me the dictionary where "Theotokos" is defined any other way.

SD

[american colleen]

To be fair. The Baptists were there with us from the beginning ...

I know, I know, but I was still smarting over the "fruit" post. Some of my best friends are Baptists...

Where are they on birth control and divorce?

[OLD REGGIE]

Exists where? In your and woodkirk's fevered minds? Please continue arguing with the dictionary and all rational beings. It really helps to set us apart.

The same place "unanimous" exists in your fevered mind.

[Iowegian]

Wow.

I'm a reasonable person and call 'em like I see 'em. But after reading SD's response to my mother of God post, I don't think he is. He still wants to use that club. Put the club down Dave.

[ELS]

St. Lucy - patron saint of blindness (born c. 283)

Rich, young Christian who vowed her life to Christ. Her Roman father died when she was young. Her mother, Eutychia, arranged a marriage for her. For three years she managed to keep the marriage on hold. To change the mother's mind about the girl's new faith, Lucy prayed at the tomb of Saint Agatha, and her mother's long haemorrhagic illness was cured. Her mother agreed with Lucy's desire to live for God, and Lucy became known as a patron of those with maladies like her mother's.

Her rejected pagan bridegroom, Paschasius, denounced Lucy as a Christian. The governor planned to force her into prostitution, but when guards went to fetch her, they could not move her even when they hitched her to a team of oxen. The governor ordered her killed instead. After torture that included having her eyes torn out, she was surrounded by bundles of wood which were set afire; they went out. She prophesied against her persecutors, and was executed by being stabbed to death with a dagger.

Legend says her eyesight was restored before her death. This and the meaning of her name led to her connection with eyes, the blind, eye trouble, etc.

[IMRight]

Where are they on birth control and divorce?

I suppose I could let them answer for themselves (but what the heck, I'm still waiting on a 1:30 meeeting).

There are quite a few who agree on birth control although I've seen no doctrinal statement indicating it's somehow "official" anywhere (but each church is seperate in a lot of ways).

I don't think you get kicked out for divorce and remarriage, but Baptists certainly aren't in favor of divorce. My (Baptist) wife puts it this way: "I don't believe in divorce....... I do believe in murder. (A woman after Mack's own heart - You can't have her, Mack. She's mine)

[OLD REGGIE]

Um, proof, Havoc? I don't care how many times you insult me and my kind it still isn't any proof. I suppose if you had any you would have showed it 6 or so months ago when it first came up.

I've been waiting months for your proofs of the listing of the first 10 Popes, their dates of reign, and their biographies. Still waiting. Before you ask again why it is important to me; Because you are still ducking!

[SoothingDave]

Exists where? In your and woodkirk's fevered minds? Please continue arguing with the dictionary and all rational beings. It really helps to set us apart.

The same place "unanimous" exists in your fevered mind.

Exactly. "Unanimous" has a certain specialized meaning in our theology. I don't expect you to re-define our term. Same with "Theotokos." It has a meaning and it is foolishness to redefine it after 1500 years.

SD

[IMRight]

Ok, but I think that SD's timecard says he has to be unreasonable until 2pm or he doesn't get paid for today.

I'll check with Wordsmith.

[the808bass]

In a town your size, I would think that the First A/G would be the safest bet. No guarantees. But they tend to be a little more conservative and less prone to the wild mood swings of a more "charismatic" type church. I like the wild mood swings but I would guess you're not a mood swing kinda guy. Not much help, but it's something.