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China Bans Muslim/Arab Passengers
NewsMax.com Wires ^ | Monday, Oct. 15, 2001 | UPI

Posted on 10/13/2001 5:21:29 PM PDT by Sunshine55

HONG KONG (UPI) -- Travel agents in Hong Kong and Beijing said China has banned nationals from 19 countries from buying air tickets for its state-owned airlines in a step-up in security following the terrorist attacks on Washington, D.C., and New York City in September. "We were told not to sell tickets to Muslim passengers mainly for routes going to North America. European routes were later added," said one travel agent in Beijing.

"I cannot sell tickets to people from the Middle East who want to fly Chinese airlines to the United States," said another travel agent.

A memo was sent to major ticketing agencies, possibly throughout the world, instructing them not to issue tickets to people from a list of countries, according to the South China Morning Post on Saturday. The notice also said that passengers from named countries who already had tickets should be contacted and told they could not fly with the airlines. The memo suggested that under certain circumstances the ruling could be waived.

The memo said, "Tickets shall not be issued to people from these 20 countries again. Tickets already issued should be canceled and fully refunded, or processed only after receiving confirmation from the local embassy or consulate. People from these countries shall be strictly controlled. But be flexible, they are being told, and consult the local embassy or consulate to discuss how stringent the edict should be."

The countries listed are Afghanistan, Egypt, Israel, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Sudan, Kuwait, Libya, and Algeria. It added people of Palestinian or Pakistani origin with "unusual background" should also be denied tickets.

The decision to ban certain nationals from China's airlines came from rulings by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Civil Aviation Department, said the notice.

China's state-run airlines carry a majority of the passengers traveling to the mainland. China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines and Air China also fly most of the internal routes in China.

"I think that awareness of the nature of discrimination on the basis of race is very weak in China, "said Sophia Woodman, Research Director in Hong Kong with Human Rights in China. "This kind of blanket ban is clearly not the way to prevent terrorism and is discriminatory."

Earlier this week officials with Pakistan's consulate in Hong Kong lodged a complaint with local authorities and with China's Foreign Ministry in Beijing after numbers of Pakistani nationals in this former British colony were denied visas for the mainland.

"The numbers who have been refused are in the hundreds," said Naila Maqsood, the Vice Consul-General of Pakistan's consulate in Hong Kong. "These are all people who reside in Hong Kong and have Hong Kong ID cards. They have not been given any specific reason for refusal."

Many of those who applied for visas to the mainland have traveled there on business numerous times and have never been refused entry before, she said. There are about 25,000 Pakistani nationals living in Hong Kong and many are businesspeople whose jobs require them to travel to mainland China.

"To punish an entire nation, or the members of a faith, for the sins of a few is cruel and unjust," railed an editorial in the South China Morning Post on Saturday.

"In a particularly ham-fisted gesture they [China] appear to have singled out Pakistanis, implying they are persona non grata, regardless of what travel document they hold. This is an extreme over-reaction, which can only backfire."

"My own apprehension is that they don't want any Pakistani nationals in China before President Bush arrives in Shanghai at the end of October," said Maqsood.

President George Bush is expected to attend an informal economic leaders meeting of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in Shanghai from Oct. 17 to 21. Analysts in Hong Kong and Beijing have questioned whether the U.S. president will stick to his schedule and attend the meeting while Operation Enduring Freedom is in progress.

Diplomatic sources in Hong Kong who declined to be identified said people from Middle Eastern countries were facing the same problems as the Pakistanis in obtaining visas for mainland China. They said they believed China was increasing security before the APEC meeting and Bush's arrival. (Kirk Troy in Beijing contributed to this story.) Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.


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To: Sunshine55
I wish Bush would not travel outside the country right now.
21 posted on 10/13/2001 6:12:57 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sunshine55
Major Bump!

We know this needs to be done here & NOW!!

It saddens me that we don't have the balls to do it and to hell with the PC groupies and the PC Media!

22 posted on 10/13/2001 6:15:24 PM PDT by HoustonKevin
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Yes, they are better off than we are, they don't need to worry about "political correctness" which is our worst enemy right now.
23 posted on 10/13/2001 6:26:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: P-Marlowe
What the Hell is wrong with America? Why do we put up with these people?

We're "politically correct" is why. We don't require the Muslims to be politically correct, they can make statements about all Americans, all Jews, they can bring their hate speech-filled Koran and spew hate speeches from their mosques. They can profile us and kill us but we're supposed to let them have total access to everything in our country.

24 posted on 10/13/2001 6:28:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: P-Marlowe
What the Hell is wrong with America? Why do we put up with these people?

Liberals thrive on victims.

25 posted on 10/13/2001 6:35:10 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: independentmind
Sounds like they have their heads screwed on straight over there.

Gee ... how soon until we get to be TRULY totalitarian?

26 posted on 10/13/2001 6:55:01 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: FITZ
The Chinese at least don't want another wave of hijackings. They may be Communists, but they're not stupid. There was a plane sitting on the tarmac in San Jose, CA today - could still be there for all I know - because some *Middle Eastern* man got up and spread some kind of substance all around the rear of the plane, and supposedly some of it got sucked into the ventilation.
27 posted on 10/13/2001 7:07:38 PM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: Sunshine55
Heck, let's not just stop following the Commies, er Chinese on this. Why not start whacking all those dangerous cults like right wingers and Southern Baptists-after all, they blew up buildings and own lots of weapons and are always critical of the government. Their religion is critical of much of the government, especially homosexual "rights", abortion, and gun control. They are then opposed to the American way of life! We should deport them to some country and sieze their property and ban the practise of their religion. After all, why be scared to sacrifice a few possibly innocent people if it will save lives? < sarcasm >
28 posted on 10/13/2001 7:07:58 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: Askel5
Gee ... how soon until we get to be TRULY totalitarian?

Do you really want to know?

Federal security experts are pressing Congress to adjourn for the year in the interests of security, but the lawmakers won't be hurried and may be in session another six weeks.

29 posted on 10/13/2001 7:21:58 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
When will some people on this forum (supposedly conservative) tart pressing for the Feds to issue travel papers for state to state, heck town to town travel, say strip searches upon crossing state lines. I'm only being half sarcastic. It seems like after 9/11 a lot of conservatives lost their beliefs in a mad rush for security. I sure hope it doesn't last, and please no one misunderstand me. I understand a lot of it: fear, especially for those with children I guess. It is the whole idea of terrorism, and far too many people are playing right into it lock stock and barrel.
30 posted on 10/13/2001 7:29:40 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: Sunshine55
This isn't about totalitarianism vs democracy as much as about common sense vs political correctness in a culture that has lost self-assurance.
31 posted on 10/13/2001 7:37:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Sunshine55
I can't imagine why we are allowing visitors or green card holders in the U.S. from the predominantly Muslim countries. Get them out of the U.S and the terrorist problem will decrease by 95%.

Can anyone on FR imagine the U.S. granting visas to Japanese or German national during WWII? (After most of them were just innocent people)

32 posted on 10/13/2001 9:09:17 PM PDT by Magician
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To: Revolting cat!
China's idea of common sense is rolling over those young students who put up that statue of justice with their APCs and shooting unarmed citizens then putting rifles in their hands and telling the media to take a photo of it.
33 posted on 10/13/2001 11:32:58 PM PDT by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: Senator Pardek
This is most odd. I wonder if Chinese intelligence knows something specific.

What is so odd about it? It does not take any intellegence to see why this is a prudent move. What is odd is that we have not taken the same precautions.

34 posted on 10/13/2001 11:44:14 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Askel5
What part of the deporting of illegal aliens from these countries or banning them from airline flights don't you understand?
35 posted on 10/13/2001 11:50:35 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: TheLion
I'm sorry ... where did it say they were "illegal aliens"?

I understood that citizens (or "nationals") of any of these nations were summarily precluded from flying Chinese airlines.

A strange gesture of support, IMHO, from the same nation who's pumped our military and our nation full of Red Heroin, organized and trained marxists terrorists and revolutionaries to our south in Cuba and Latin America, supplied domestic terrorists (a/k/a criminals) with covert weapons, usurped our sovereign territory in Panama, stolen our technological and military secrets, successfully interfered in our elections and shown no compunction whatsoever to apologize for engaging our EP-3E in a maneuver that could have killed everyone on the plane they held hostage instead as if they were at war with us or sumpin.

If we can't control our own borders and customs, that's our problem.

This is just a bunch of hooey to make it look as though China's on our side, that -- like us -- China's "worried" about the selfsame terrorist cells its groomed worldwide and ... worst of all ... China's got a Better Way.

I think the last thing we need to be doing is taking a page from China on the "means necessary" to effect Order out of the chaos China itself has initiated and in which it revels where we are concerned.

36 posted on 10/14/2001 12:19:55 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: FITZ
We're "politically correct" is why. We don't require the Muslims to be politically correct, they can make statements about all Americans, all Jews, they can bring their hate speech-filled Koran and spew hate speeches from their mosques. They can profile us and kill us but we're supposed to let them have total access to everything in our country.

plain and simple ... the truth you speak ...
37 posted on 10/14/2001 12:29:37 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Sunshine55; Physicist; DoughtyOne
Sophia Woodman:- "This kind of blanket ban is clearly not the way to prevent terrorism and is discriminatory."

Yes it is! -- and -- Yes it is!

39 posted on 10/14/2001 4:02:20 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Bobby777
I'm so sick of political correctness. For liberals it's okay to racially profile when it comes to scholarship money or admission into college or jobs. If someone looks like they just came from Mexico ----give them a full scholarship, no questions asked, if someone is black you should hire them. But when suddenly it comes to scrutinizing a group who is here to kill us, receiving orders from a madman in a cave somewhere, we don't allow profiling.
40 posted on 10/14/2001 7:13:59 AM PDT by FITZ
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