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Police: Student spoke of attacks before Sept. 11
THE JOURNAL NEWS ^ | (Original publication: Oct. 11, 2001) | By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO

Posted on 10/11/2001 6:35:00 PM PDT by vannrox

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:12:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Sabertooth
Do members of the Armed Forces have full Constitutional prerogatives?

Yes. They agree to surrender some of them, however.

I live in L.A. When a curfew was imposed after the '92 Rodney King Riots, Constitutional Rights of law-abiding citizens were temporarily affected. Should I have taken up arms against the National Guaurd then?

That was an immediate hazard, like a building on fire, not a prophylactic measure. Had they responded to the Rodney King riots by rounding up peaceable blacks not involved in the riots (nor even living in the affected areas) then yes, you should have.

101 posted on 10/13/2001 1:56:00 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
You're talking about millions of American citizens. How are you going to "defoliate"
that "forest"?


Before the last couple of weeks, I was in the "open mind" mode about whether Islam,
in general, is a peaceable or war-like religion.
Things I've heard over the past couple of weeks has me swinging into the "Islam is
a war doctrine" category.
I work with lots of law-abiding, peaceable Muslims. But when ever I hear some Muslim
cleric or Muslim caller on a talk show with an interviewer willing to scratch
the surface, I hear VERY uncomfortable answers.
E.g., a very nice Muslim lady on the Dennis Prager Show this week went on at length
about how terrorism "in all it's forms" had been denounced in her mosque
after 9-11-01.
But Prager actually interviews people and he asked her about the fatwah on Salman
Rushdie. "Totally justified" said the nice, call, reasonable Islamic lady.

I'm sorry to say it, but I think our country, among the 6 to 10 million Muslims might have
"who knows what percentage" of people that would think that way.

You are right to ask how we should deal with this sort of mindframe in fellow citizens.
I'm afraid that we might witness one of those "unintended consequences" if there
is another sizeable attack on US citizens.
We will find that our kindly immigration policy that let these folks seek refuge will
backfire when some of these folks can't help but back their oppressed brothers.
I just pray it doesn't come to retributions like spontaneous beatings and worse if such a thing happens.
102 posted on 10/13/2001 2:02:27 PM PDT by VOA
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To: KQQL
Why did his dad gone back to Pak land and why do we let mentally crack pots come to America????/

I believe it was Ted Kennedy who relaxed the immigration rules to allow people into this country even if they hated it....something about freedom of speech and association--to even allow those who were affiliated with terrorist cells. It is Kennedy who needs to answer some questions!!!

103 posted on 10/13/2001 2:06:28 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Physicist; all
Your comment regarding the Rodney King Riots...

That was an immediate hazard, like a building on fire, not a prophylactic measure. Had they responded to the Rodney King riots by rounding up peaceable blacks not involved in the riots (nor even living in the affected areas) then yes, you should have."

The context I gave for the possible imposition of martial law and further measures was after several suitcase nukes had gone off, with the imminent threat of more.

You're a Physicist, you tell me.. that's not an "immediate hazard?"

104 posted on 10/13/2001 2:06:35 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Physicist
Personally, the prospect of seeing our major cities nuked to dust is less frightening and disgusting to me than the prospect of concentration camps holding American citizens on American soil. In the first case, the country may or may not survive in some fashion. In the second case, the country--my country, embodied by the Constitution--is already dead. And even those camps wouldn't stop the nukes in any case.

The first statement is incomprehensible. Given the scenario of suitcase nukes and given the provability of an Arab Islamic connection it is then necessary to consider solutions as extreme as the effects. In this respect, your notion of the Constitution is to absolutize the rights. This is not even a principle of interpretation of the Constitution. All the rights are conditioned. When you've had a pattern of connection and it has been otherwise impossible to route out the perpetrators the only solution is internment. You can guarantee all their assests, their jobs, and make it nice and comfortable for them. Big screen TV's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and caviar, etc.

This collectivization would give the government the opportunity to separately consider and screen the individuals in this community.

Such a process would only occur if the perpetrators were citizens/citizens gave the perpetrators aid and succor.

All this of course is highly speculative but you make it seem that the Constitution is some rigid document and could not countenance the scenario above. A similar scenario under less extreme circumstances took place in WWII with the Japanese and the Constitution still stands with even a more broadening of rights since that time.

105 posted on 10/13/2001 2:09:52 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Sabertooth; John Robinson
Would you please stop replying to all? I'm getting tired of being pinged to this thread over and over again.
106 posted on 10/13/2001 2:12:55 PM PDT by patent
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To: patent
Oh, sorry about that.
107 posted on 10/13/2001 2:14:03 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Manny Festo
Attaboy.

Thanks for the able assist.

109 posted on 10/13/2001 2:35:46 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
No problem, it's going to take some time to get the bugs with that worked out.
110 posted on 10/13/2001 2:37:04 PM PDT by patent
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To: Sabertooth
The context I gave for the possible imposition of martial law and further measures was after several suitcase nukes had gone off, with the imminent threat of more.

If there is an imminent threat, then follow up the threat. If it's only a vague "we think something's up" (like we're under now), then there's not a lot that can be done, morally and legally, except to remain vigilant. Interning the innocent and guilty alike would be as ineffective as it would be wrong.

Take the present situation. A suggestion has been made that hijackers might take over a flight coming into the U.S. from abroad over the next few days, and use that as a bomb as it makes its final approach into New York. All the rights infringements you can imagine wouldn't prevent that, just as it wouldn't prevent a (highly speculative) suitcase nuke.

You're a Physicist, you tell me.. that's not an "immediate hazard?"

As a physicist, I tell you that I doubt they even exist.

111 posted on 10/13/2001 2:37:18 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: laconas
It was the terrorists' plan to topple the buildings, not collapse them straight down.
112 posted on 10/13/2001 2:38:51 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: Physicist
"As a physicist, I tell you that I doubt they even exist."

As a debater, you're disingenuous.

We were both speaking of hypotheticals. To now fall back on questioning the basis for the hypothetical is intellectually dishonest.

113 posted on 10/13/2001 2:42:51 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Physicist
this is a conservative news forum. liberal hosers like you, that blame the victim, can slither back over to oprah.com or whatever group you fit in with.
114 posted on 10/13/2001 5:58:47 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Sabertooth
bleeding heart, anti-american douche bag.
115 posted on 10/13/2001 6:07:49 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Anonymous2
I pinged the Physicist on this thread...

Does Al Qaeda possess nuclear weapons?

No response as yet.

Check out post #40.

116 posted on 10/13/2001 6:16:12 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: PleaseNoMore
roudnd'em all up, treat them well, sort them through, deport, shoot or whatever the enemy and let's get through this chapter.
117 posted on 10/13/2001 6:30:24 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Sabertooth; Physicist
If he's willing to "clear the forest" of Arabs in this country, how would he have combatted the German terrorism he presented to us?

Well, we're not exactly worried about the Germans right now, are we? When we're worried about keeping polar bears out of our camp, would you claim there was a problem with the fence because a rattlesnake could get under it?

I'm sorry, but you're argument makes no sense, whatsoever. Although, if we were to go to war with Germany, it would make sense to me to deport all the German citizens within our country.

119 posted on 10/13/2001 9:23:47 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
I'm sorry, but you're argument makes no sense, whatsoever.

Not if you don't read the thread, anyway. The example (and not my example, either) referred to WWII.

120 posted on 10/14/2001 5:49:02 AM PDT by Physicist
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