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To: Pelayo
Since there is no other testimony or hard evidence that he died some place else we have by default only Rome as a plausible grave. Why should we not take the testimony of St. Irenaus(180 AD) who said "The blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, having founded and built up the Church handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus...." Against Heresies 3,3,3

If my notes on Irenaeus are correct, there are no original copies of his works in existence, and what is credited to him was written in ancient barbarous Latin at some point in time, and then these didn't turned up until around 1526AD, and it was then that they were copied and printed.

Hummmm, they didn't turn up until 1526AD, that sure is a long time for these writings to be floating around the monasteries giving someone plenty of opportunity to make some interpolations, and it seemed to me there was something else going on at this time in history in the 1500's.

I think he developed the doctrine of "apostolic succession" too, boy you had better keep this guy propped up as long as you can. Oh, wait, I see here he had some pretty weird ideas that you may want to look into before you take anything he said too serious.:-)

240 posted on 10/12/2001 9:07:20 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
I don't have to use just him you know. But I'm curious, if your going to make an argument about this why do you use hearsay and conjecture. Do you have any hard evidence that Irenaeus' writing were changed?
248 posted on 10/12/2001 9:27:50 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: JHavard
If my notes on Irenaeus are correct, there are no original copies of his works in existence, and what is credited to him was written in ancient barbarous Latin at some point in time, and then these didn't turned up until around 1526AD, and it was then that they were copied and printed. .. and it seemed to me there was something else going on at this time in history in the 1500's. I think he developed the doctrine of "apostolic succession" too, boy you had better keep this guy propped up as long as you can. Oh, wait, I see here he had some pretty weird ideas that you may want to look into before you take anything he said too serious.:-)

Exactly the sort of thing I've been referring to. But perhaps these things need to be gone over book by book, author by claimed author. How many guys in the back rooms of the Vatican were working on piecing this one together?

267 posted on 10/13/2001 2:11:01 AM PDT by Havoc
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