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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 162
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/11/2001 9:39:48 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
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To: RobbyS
The percent. in the 13th Century was probably not many fewer than in the 2nd Century.

I read recently that the estimated literacy rate in Judea in the first century C.E. was in the range of 3-5%. And this was a highly literate culture for the time.

341 posted on 10/13/2001 8:47:32 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: the808bass; The_Reader_David
Do you propose infant confirmation classes?

I believe the Orthodox do perform confirmation at the same time as baptism.

342 posted on 10/13/2001 8:51:24 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Hi, angelo. Guess you and I are the only ones still up. Hey, if you are a devout Jew, which I assume you are because you seem to take God very seriously, how come you take such an interest in Christian theology? Would you believe that I have never spoken to a devout Jew about God before?
343 posted on 10/13/2001 8:54:10 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; hopefulpilgrim
I think I may be in agreement with you on this, although I am just now starting to understand it.


Becky/pilgrim

What is it that you are just now starting to understand?


I have thought about this for quite a while now, but hadn't thought about putting it into words until OLD REGGIE mentioned it. I'm not ready to try to explain it, but I will say that it has nothing to do with yours or my calling by God, but for others who are being called who do not have access to Christianity as we do.

I have no Bible proof as yet, it is just a feeling, and it may prove to be nothing.

344 posted on 10/13/2001 9:01:50 PM PDT by JHavard
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When freepers from the Chicago area click the "old style" button at the bottom of the screen, do they expect their favorite brew to come out of the computer?
345 posted on 10/13/2001 9:02:13 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: JHavard; the808bass; Pelayo; Havoc; RobbyS; hopefulpilgrim; dignan3
So...what happened at reply #247???
346 posted on 10/13/2001 9:03:43 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: JHavard
I have no Bible proof as yet, it is just a feeling, and it may prove to be nothing.

See my post #327.

347 posted on 10/13/2001 9:05:23 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: dignan3
Also, the Greek word used for "eat" is trogo which literally means "to gnaw". Pretty graphic, and dare I say literal, description, if you ask me.

I thought you guys said that Jesus spoke Aramaic?

348 posted on 10/13/2001 9:06:10 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: JHavard
Very interesting. Will you keep us posted on your pursuit of truth?
349 posted on 10/13/2001 9:08:46 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: angelo
I wondered about that myself. I thought you removed it, Angelo.
350 posted on 10/13/2001 9:11:30 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: angelo
I thought you guys said that Jesus spoke Aramaic?

Hey, I missed that. Nice catch. They like to have it both ways, whichever suits their current purpose.

I didn't use it much, but now I miss the e-mail field where I could insert my favorite parting shot.

351 posted on 10/13/2001 9:11:57 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
What does one do with such as follows: If the shoe fits, wear it. Controlling ideas, thought, information, dictatorial leaders, and punishing those who do not conform to the party line are the marks of fascism. Your own above post where you decried the evils of unfiltered information via the internet and print testify to your own ways. To use fascism is to utilize a term that describes something specific and even peculiar. It is odd to see it used on a conservative site, because this is a choice liberal epithet which liberals uses to defame anything that does not conform with their agenda. In any case, if you knew anything about the difficulties of the Catholic Church of Mussolini's brand of thuggery, you would realize how vicious a slur it is that you use. The condition of the Catholic Church under Mussolini was somewhat like that of the Catholic Church under the Polish Communists party: acccodation to the realities of power, where the choices were complete supression and limited freedom. But since you are not really interested in history, I will stop at this point.

Regarding the restriction on individual liberties, your friends the liberals, who share your hatred of the Catholic Church, and advance the same arguments against it, and like you do their best to limit Catholic freedom. Nothing in the history of Catholics under Protestant rule shows that they were better treated than protestants were under Catholic rule. We can see typical protestant rule in action in Northern Ireland. You lie when you pretend that the protestant religion is free-loving and democratic in its basic principles. Wherever any Protestant sect has been in political power, it persecutes, it excludes, its suppresses contrary ideas. Exceptions, such as the Quakers, prove the rule.

352 posted on 10/13/2001 9:14:07 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Havoc
Funny I thought the prejudice that the death pilots exhibited towards America reminded me of the feeling that many have on this thread towards the Catholic Church.

SD-As much as I agree and admire your style and content, when you withdrew your comment about H. being an asshole...I can't agree with you on THAT one!

353 posted on 10/13/2001 9:25:30 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: Iowegian
First, it's a bad idea to base eternal destinations on feelings or what we want. Either you believe God (what is written in the Bible) or you don't. Second, as Jesus told us, there is none that are "good" except God. Now believing that there are many, many people who will be damned because they reject Christ, or fail to place their trust in him, is not politically correct these days. But truth is not P.C. these days.

You are jumping to conclusions Iowegian, I base nothing on feelings, but sometimes those feelings, years down the road turn out to be right when others start seeing it and talking about it, then it becomes more acceptable.

For an example, the first time I remember reading Mark 16:9 through 20, I knew something was wrong with it, but had no idea what until years later when I read that these verses were not found in the older manuscripts, and no one knew who wrote them, typical interpolation as was Ignatius and the 7 short epistles of his which were also interpolated.

This was just a feeling that turned out to have validity.

I hope this explains it a little better, but thanks for your concern, and never fail to tell me if you think I am going to far on a matter like this. JH

354 posted on 10/13/2001 9:27:03 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: Iowegian
John's still monkeying with the forum software. Starting with reply #321, everyone has a ^ after their name on the reply. Wonder what's up with that?
355 posted on 10/13/2001 9:29:39 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
One can guess that since the population of Europe was much larger, than the total number of educated men was , at any rate, about the same. I would guess that the percentage of people literate in any language, did not increase until after the invention of the printing press.
356 posted on 10/13/2001 9:29:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
I'll give you points for al least trying, but it's still very weak. Due to the late hour, I'll give you a full reply later, but this stands out for immediate comment:

You lie when you pretend that the protestant religion is free-loving and democratic in its basic principles. Wherever any Protestant sect has been in political power, it persecutes, it excludes, its suppresses contrary ideas.

Ummm, no. Not even close. In fact, look at where Protestantism has spread, there you will find, in most cases, freedom, liberty and democracy. BTW, since our great country was founded on Protestant principles with mostly Protestant political leaders, do you really believe that American RC's are persecuted, excluded and suppressed compared to Christians around the world? IMO, they are treated like any other faith group, no better and no worse. If it were not so, there wouldn't be so many RC's here.

357 posted on 10/13/2001 9:31:18 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: JHavard
I base nothing on feelings.

Glad to hear that. But remember, you were the one that mentioned it was just a feeling.

358 posted on 10/13/2001 9:34:42 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
About #353:

I looked that word up and there was your picture next to it.

359 posted on 10/13/2001 9:40:39 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: angelo
I read recently that the estimated literacy rate in Judea in the first century C.E. was in the range of 3-5%. And this was a highly literate culture for the time.

Have any of you ever known or worked with some one who was illiterate?

I have known two such people, and they were the most suspicious and conspiracy oriented people I have ever known.

They consider people who can read as having a definite advantage over them, and they think you use it to trick them and lie to them.

360 posted on 10/13/2001 9:42:44 PM PDT by JHavard
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