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To: Iowegian
What does one do with such as follows: If the shoe fits, wear it. Controlling ideas, thought, information, dictatorial leaders, and punishing those who do not conform to the party line are the marks of fascism. Your own above post where you decried the evils of unfiltered information via the internet and print testify to your own ways. To use fascism is to utilize a term that describes something specific and even peculiar. It is odd to see it used on a conservative site, because this is a choice liberal epithet which liberals uses to defame anything that does not conform with their agenda. In any case, if you knew anything about the difficulties of the Catholic Church of Mussolini's brand of thuggery, you would realize how vicious a slur it is that you use. The condition of the Catholic Church under Mussolini was somewhat like that of the Catholic Church under the Polish Communists party: acccodation to the realities of power, where the choices were complete supression and limited freedom. But since you are not really interested in history, I will stop at this point.

Regarding the restriction on individual liberties, your friends the liberals, who share your hatred of the Catholic Church, and advance the same arguments against it, and like you do their best to limit Catholic freedom. Nothing in the history of Catholics under Protestant rule shows that they were better treated than protestants were under Catholic rule. We can see typical protestant rule in action in Northern Ireland. You lie when you pretend that the protestant religion is free-loving and democratic in its basic principles. Wherever any Protestant sect has been in political power, it persecutes, it excludes, its suppresses contrary ideas. Exceptions, such as the Quakers, prove the rule.

352 posted on 10/13/2001 9:14:07 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
I'll give you points for al least trying, but it's still very weak. Due to the late hour, I'll give you a full reply later, but this stands out for immediate comment:

You lie when you pretend that the protestant religion is free-loving and democratic in its basic principles. Wherever any Protestant sect has been in political power, it persecutes, it excludes, its suppresses contrary ideas.

Ummm, no. Not even close. In fact, look at where Protestantism has spread, there you will find, in most cases, freedom, liberty and democracy. BTW, since our great country was founded on Protestant principles with mostly Protestant political leaders, do you really believe that American RC's are persecuted, excluded and suppressed compared to Christians around the world? IMO, they are treated like any other faith group, no better and no worse. If it were not so, there wouldn't be so many RC's here.

357 posted on 10/13/2001 9:31:18 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: RobbyS
Regarding the restriction on individual liberties, your friends the liberals, who share your hatred of the Catholic Church, and advance the same arguments against it, and like you do their best to limit Catholic freedom.

And the hist-crits echo many of your arguments against sola Scriptura in their crusade against an inspired Canon. It ain't a cliff game.

433 posted on 10/14/2001 10:44:47 PM PDT by the808bass
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