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Victoria Osteen and FBI have different views on what occurred aboard airliner
Houston Chronicle ^ | 12-22-05 | ANNE MARIE KILDAY

Posted on 12/23/2005 4:39:24 AM PST by truthandlife

Victoria Osteen, the wife of Lakewood Church pastor Joel Osteen, said an incident that delayed a Continental Airlines flight for two hours earlier this week was "a minor misunderstanding."

Osteen posted a "Letter from Victoria" on the church's official Web site Wednesday, saying the Monday incident resulted from her choice "to remove myself from the situation."

Osteen left the plane, Continental Flight 1602, with her husband and their two children. The family took another flight to Vail, Colo., where they are taking a ski vacation.

A church spokesman said the family left the plane voluntarily.

However, FBI Special Agent Luz Garcia has said that the Osteens were asked to leave the jetliner after "an altercation."

Garcia also said that Victoria Osteen "failed to comply" with instructions from a flight attendant.

The FBI said the airline contacted the agency about the incident. The agency decided not to investigate.

Continental Airlines spokeswoman Julie King declined any further comment about the incident Thursday.

"There have been various accounts of an incident that occurred on one of our flights, and I have issued earlier statements about that," King said. "We can confirm that there are no remaining issues between Continental and those passengers. ... Both parties feel no further comment is necessary."

King declined to comment on Victoria Osteen's explanation of the incident.

In her letter, which can be read at at www.lakewood.cc, Osteen stated:

"Regardless of how some have portrayed the situation, please know that it was truly a minor misunderstanding and did not escalate into what you saw or read in the news. Contrary to those reports, it was my choice to remove myself from the situation. Nonetheless, it was a most unfortunate event and I truly regret that it happened."

Osteen's letter continued, "The last thing I would ever want to do is let any of you down. And I promise you that I did not act in any way that would cast a bad light on you, my family, Lakewood Church or our Lord Jesus Christ. I value the position that God has placed me in and I can assure you that I will always walk in love and integrity. While I am not perfect, I will always seek to be a peacemaker and seek the high road."

The incident apparently stemmed from a spilled liquid on Osteen's seat in the first class section of the airplane. A church spokesman said the spill was not cleaned up to Osteen's satisfaction, and the family left the plane voluntarily.

Joel Osteen is a nationally known author of self-help books, including the best-selling Your Best Life Now. He became pastor of Lakewood Church in 1999. The church, in the former Compaq Center, is one of the nation's largest with more than 30,000 weekly participants in church services.


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KEYWORDS: continental; houston; lakewood; megachurch; osteen; platichairedfrauds; victoriassecret
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To: Revolting cat!
But...aren't they just the cutest couple, those Osteens? Here they are, with Manna from Heaven falling all around them right there in the Lakewood Church. Can't everyone see that she would NEVER have been obnoxious on a plane? She's just soooo sweeeet!


181 posted on 12/23/2005 9:38:23 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: indcons
Your a moron....so you've read the bible...try studying it...

As far as Victoria is concerned...I could care less about her. I went to LW Church yrs ago when John Osteen was pastor. I've got a boat load of criticism for that church, along with what I know regarding the donations taken in.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions. Proverb 1:7

182 posted on 12/23/2005 9:39:29 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Russ_in_NC
he was indeed dead for three days then GOD bought him back to life as a spirit being.

And he said unto them, why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my free, that it is myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have. (Lk.24:38-39)

183 posted on 12/23/2005 9:41:44 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: MineralMan

And do check out the "Presidential Seal" on the "Greek" (or is it "Roman") podium!


184 posted on 12/23/2005 9:41:44 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: indcons

"I did not pour that alleged double vodka down her throat."

It was heroin, with a lude chaser.


185 posted on 12/23/2005 9:41:46 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: shield

Read my post again......why don't you study the Bible?

I will not stoop to your gutter level and call you a "moron." I reserve that insult for people whose actions I am aware of and despise - like your queen/heroine, Mrs. Osteen.


186 posted on 12/23/2005 9:44:56 AM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the MilHist ping list)
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To: truthandlife

Is this "team" this generations Tammy Fae & Jim Baker Inc fleecing the sheep ?

Just a question....


187 posted on 12/23/2005 9:46:27 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Revolting cat!

"And do check out the "Presidential Seal" on the "Greek" (or is it "Roman") podium!"

Yeah, I saw that. I think the eagle symbolizes money, though, as when "the eagle s...s," though. This ministry does seem to be a "get all you can through the power of God" sort of ministry, from what I've read on the church's site and elsewhere.

This is an old style of evangelism. "Love God and give me as much money as you possibly can and it will be returned tenfold!" There have been many of these phonies out there over the years.


188 posted on 12/23/2005 9:46:33 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: truthandlife
What? Say it ain't so. An accused individual and the concerned law enforcement agency have differing views on the situation???

Who'da thunk it...

189 posted on 12/23/2005 9:46:45 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: shield

"Your a moron....so you've read the bible...try studying it..."




"Your" is the possessive form of "you." For example, you would use "your" in a sentence like this one: Your ignorance is showing. -or- Your fly is open.

"You're" is a contraction for "You are," often used in sentences like: You're an illiterate moron. -or- You're in error in your English usage.


190 posted on 12/23/2005 9:49:41 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
The only preachers who claim Christ descended into hell after His death on the cross are those who have departed from the Truth

Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth (Eph.4:9)

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison (1Pe.3:19)

Christ went into the part of hell known as 'Abraham's Bosom' to release those OT saints who went there while waiting for Christ to pay for their sins (Lk.16)

191 posted on 12/23/2005 9:51:13 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: indcons
queen/heroine, Mrs. Osteen

Actually...I've never liked Victoria Osteen one little bit. Joel I've always had a great deal of respect for...not Victoria.

192 posted on 12/23/2005 9:51:25 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: tuffydoodle

Shhhh....don't tell that loudly. The Victoria Osteen fan club members will be here any moment to call you a "moron" or other choice words. In other words, they'll exhibit their non-existent argumentation and reasoning skills.


193 posted on 12/23/2005 9:54:51 AM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the MilHist ping list)
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To: MineralMan
There is a Japanese Buddhist sect Nichiren Shoshu which uses a ritual of chanting the phrase 'nam-yoho-renge-kyo' for material goods and specific tangible returns. The adherents (many of them in the US) swear that it (the changing) works better than compound interest!
194 posted on 12/23/2005 9:55:22 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Revolting cat!

changing=chanting


195 posted on 12/23/2005 9:55:53 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
The incident apparently stemmed from a spilled liquid on Osteen's seat in the first class section of the airplane. A church spokesman said the spill was not cleaned up to Osteen's satisfaction,

Combine a spill on the seat and a steward or stewardess with attitude (I don't clean up no steenkin spill) and you have the ingredients for a media event. I'm on Victoria's side on this one, having encountered seriously rude behavior from airline employees myself. She didn't want to sit in or have her kid sit in a sticky puddle of pepsi...would you?

196 posted on 12/23/2005 9:59:58 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!

"Combine a spill on the seat and a steward or stewardess with attitude (I don't clean up no steenkin spill) and you have the ingredients for a media event. I'm on Victoria's side on this one, having encountered seriously rude behavior from airline employees myself."




You put a folded airline blanket on the seat and shut up. It's not that big a deal. For you, I wish a seat on an airline where something like this happens and you get delayed for two hours. The woman behaved extraordinarily badly, or she would not have been removed from the plane.


197 posted on 12/23/2005 10:03:15 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: fortheDeclaration

You mis-read all those verses.

Ephesians 4:9 refers to the grave.

1 Peter 3:19 a) is not chronologically lined up within the 3 days that Christ was in the grave. b) "prison" in this verse does NOT mean hell.

Luke chapter 16: I don't find Christ's journey to hell as you've described it, nor do I find the Bible describe "Abraham's bosom" as hell. What is your source?

Many who preach Christ went to hell claim that's where He paid the penalty for our sins. And THAT is the HUGE heresy - that I should have mentioned in my previous post.

Christ paid for all our sin on the cross - not anything that may have happened after He died.


198 posted on 12/23/2005 10:06:13 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: truthandlife

It sounds like Continental Airlines, whose HQ is in Houston, is afraid to take on the Osteens and their huge Houston following for fear of a boycott or something.


199 posted on 12/23/2005 10:08:53 AM PST by no dems ("99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name." Steven Wright)
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To: sgtbono2002
Preaching makes millionaires of some folks.

From my understanding, Joel made his money through real-estate, not preaching.

200 posted on 12/23/2005 10:09:53 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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