Posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by diverteach
Modern communication technology has helped make the Pope’s death an unparalleled event. The entire world has literally come together to praise this one man. I find that many sense that there will be some important and climactic consequences to follow the death of this Pope.
As I studied the many Bible prophecies of the Last Days, I found a most unusual extra-Biblical prophecy made by an Irish Catholic Bishop in the 12th Century. His name is St. Malachy. According to his biographer St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in his book Life of Saint Malachy, St. Malachy was known to have the gift of prophesy and even predicted the exact day and hour of his own death. St. Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.
According to his biographer, St. Malachy was visiting Rome in 1139 when he went into a trance and received a vision. Malachy wrote down this extraordinary vision in which he claims to have foreseen all of the Popes from the death of Innocent II until the destruction of the Church and the Return of Christ. He named exactly 112 Popes from that time until the end.
St. Malachy wrote a few prophetically descriptive words in Latin about each one of the Popes. He then gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II and it was deposited in the Vatican Archives where it was forgotten for several centuries. Then in 1590, it was rediscovered and published.
The interesting thing is that scholars have matched the brief 110 descriptive predictions with each of the 110 Popes and anti-Popes that there have been since Innocent II. Though they are a bit obscure, they have fit the general profile of each of the Popes.
Now these are in no way the same kind of predictions we find in the Bible....
(Excerpt) Read more at hallindseyoracle.com ...
He merely presents a "polished" version of Jack Chick's comic book religion.
It means, Thy Will be done.
"No one is scoffing or mocking God's Word, or the Return of Christ.
We scoff at Hal Lindsey's scriptorture, eisegesis and failed "oracles".
Exactly my feelings here.
Thanks for saying it so eloquently and clearly.
It means, Thy Will be done.
Hasn't this this Hal Lindsey character been on the Art Bell Entertainment Show, Coast-to-Coast?
Thanks...I just re-read the post. Hal says it is in no way up there with a Bible Prophecy. I think he is merely passing it on. For interest you know. Obviously it isn't a prophecy from the Bible. It's from someone who had a vision of the number of Popes. Now Daniels 69/70 weeks is another ballgame. Much confusion with that also. Wish I had all the answers, but I sure don't.
One thing most followers of sophists like Lindsey fail to understand is that his predictions have consequences for thoses who think they are real. People make life decisions based on his and other sophists predictions and suffer consequences. Back in the 70's when his "Late Great Planet" book was selling like crazy, and Hal was predicting a nuclear war with Russia as emminent, people sold all they had and moved into bomb shelters in Montana, uprooting family and all. For what? Nothing!
I have too. His alleged prophecies are nothing more than short phrases, like "eclipse of the sun." Like fortune cookies or horoscopes, it's vague enough to mean whatever you want it to.
These so-called, prophecy expert sophists are filling their own bellies.
Now that would be ridiculous for someone to do. I agree there are fanatics. Then again, I had a boss once that read her horoscope/astrology daily. One day it said she was to use her power and fire someone. Since I was a Virgo, born in Sept and she was some other sign, I was the one who got fired because our signs were uncompatible. That's similar to people killing themselves when a star goes over an area or whatever that was recently. I get what you're saying. But, I still like Hal.
Lindsey is doing nothing more than using a centuries old prophecy that is so vague that it is easy to "identify" future Popes from it. The Catholic Church has never placed any real credence in it. Additionally, Lindsey has made the oft-repeated error of referring to the next Pope as the "second to last." The Popes are listed by number THROUGH number 111, THERE IS NO NUMBER 112, so even if this "prophecy" is valid, there can certainly be many others between number 111 and the final pope. Lindsey's bigotry is clear in his piece. He openly profers that the next Pope "will appear to be good, but lead his Church into the final predicted deception." He then implies that the final Pope will be the anti-Christ "will be able to mesmerize the world to follow his counterfeit of Christ."
http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp
The sun god DAZBÓG? Jewel studded beer keg and all.
Did you know that the "free love" movement of the 60's actually had it's origin in the early 20th century with the likes of Margaret Sanger and the eugenics movement?
One can truly say that the decadence wrought in the 1960's had it's beginning 60 years earlier.
Can you name a period in human history when this world has not been going "downhill"?
To me, the issue is whether or not Malachy intended them to be viewed as prophecies and said so or indicated so at some point. If so, he is accountable for them, and others who are expert or gifted in biblical prophecy are obliged to evaluate them. It's at that point that we can say that they are extremely meager and can mean anything.
You could say "fish dog" about any single person on the face of the earth and find some way to apply it.
Lindsay does us a disservice by not effectively evaluating this meager fare offered by Malachy. He over-reaches in this when his justification for accepting the "last pope" time frame is his own sense that "it's just gotta be real soon."
I'm afraid Lindsay is just appealing to his paying public.
I agree, but people then and now take Hal Lindsey's word as if it is God's Word and make life altering decisions because they trust him instead of being a Berean and checking for truth.
These evangelical "end times" preachers like Lindsey have been predicting Armageddon for centuries. It is easy to find Biblical "proof" for their vague hypotheses; however, they will never acknowledge the fact that "time" as we know it is a man-made concept, it does not translate into the Lord's Omnipotence (St. Paul said [and I am paraphrasing], "in Christ's Kingdom a day is like a thousand years"). Were it not so dangerous, it would be comical how the "teachings" of these men always reaches the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the repository for satanic teaching.
Even Hal has said a true prophet, and I agree, is 100% accurate.... referring to the ancient Hebrew Prophets of the Bible in the Old Testament.
I take with a grain of salt St. Malachy's predictions, with no disrespect to the pope or catholic church intended.
What Lindsey is doing here is taking vague Old Testament prophecies, comparing them to obscure and vague writings from the 12th Century (which have NEVER been given much credence by Catholics and are really only discussed when a Pope dies) and extrapolating the absurd notion that the Pope and/or the Catholic Church is the anti-Christ.
So...According to your studies, do you think the Lord will return and when do you think it might happen? I do know the Bible tells us to study and to watch the signs. Actually, I'm heading for bed but will look for your answer tomorrow. I really want to know, I'm not being difficult here. I like to get everyones ideas.
If it appears that I didn't answer your question as to when the end will come, it is because I don't have the answer, neither does Hal Lindsey, nor any future Pope and neither do you.
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