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Open hostility toward Japan commonplace
Myrtle Beach Sun News ^ | February 20, 2005 | Tim Johnson

Posted on 02/20/2005 11:12:09 AM PST by snowsislander

BEIJING, China | Gao Hong, a Chinese scholar on Japan, said he was floored recently when confronted with a veritable outpouring of questions in an online forum about China's relations with its neighbor.

"Over 4,000 questions were posted for me in just two hours," he said.

Many of the questions in the December discussion were tendentious.

"One Internet user asked me why ... we don't just declare war on Japan," he said.

Open hostility among the Chinese, especially the young, toward Japan is apparent in barbed newspaper and TV coverage and conversations with citizens.

Some experts suggest that China's leaders permit the venting of nationalist anger at Japan to divert attention from problems at home, including a widening gap between rich and poor, environmental degradation and the repression of views critical of the Communist Party's 56-year monopoly on power.

Gao, however, said authorities are worried by outbursts against Japan. He blamed jingoistic coverage in the news media - in China and Japan - for drumming up nationalist sentiments.

"The strong anti-Japanese feelings among young people are a headache for the government," said Gao, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. China's leaders "are trying their best to let people scale down their anger."

More than a dozen small-scale protests have taken place outside the Japanese Embassy in Beijing in the past two years. Anti-Japan activists report little resistance.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: chicoms; china; eastasia; godzilla; japan; nationalism
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To: Antoninus

Bingo.


81 posted on 02/21/2005 3:29:14 AM PST by hershey
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To: snowsislander
Some experts suggest that China's leaders permit the venting of nationalist anger at Japan to divert attention from problems at home, including a widening gap between rich and poor, environmental degradation and the repression of views critical of the Communist Party's 56-year monopoly on power.

WHAT!?! You mean the Communists haven't solved the gap between rich and poor? Or environmental degradation? I thought Communism was supposed to be the antidote for these terrible symptoms of capitalism!

82 posted on 02/21/2005 3:32:58 AM PST by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: Chef Dajuan

Or an Eagles/anybody else game...


83 posted on 02/21/2005 3:35:34 AM PST by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: dfwgator

Imagine that. I thought "whites" of European heritage were the only racists in the world. At least that's the impression I've had for the past 40 years. Hmmm, now it appears to be a condition, or flaw, of the human race in general. Golly, I'm glad that information's been broadcast by the media and made a point of discussion for all the world to hear.


84 posted on 02/21/2005 3:46:56 AM PST by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: Cronos
That's also true -- non-Han portions of China are witnessing a slow genocide.

It's my understanding that Uigur (sp?) populations in the interior are largely Muslim, with an extremist indercurrent brewing...

85 posted on 02/21/2005 3:50:45 AM PST by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: struggle
You and me both. In fact, I personally am persuing a claim against Italians for raping and pillaging my Celtic brethern 2000 years ago!

Well, then, you may have got the bloodlines of both the victim and the perpetrator...
86 posted on 02/21/2005 5:36:05 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: ovrtaxt
It's my understanding that Uigur (sp?) populations in the interior are largely Muslim, with an extremist indercurrent brewing...

You are right -- they are Muslim. They are also Turkic people like the folks in Kazakhistan etc. and are treated badly by the majority Han Chinese.
87 posted on 02/21/2005 5:37:52 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: DTogo

There is no nation on this planet that will not prefer a tyrant of their own people to a foreign tyrant. The Chinese are no exception.

I love Japan but the Chinese have a legit beef.


88 posted on 02/21/2005 7:51:11 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

The Japanese lost the war in the Western Pacific. But they won the war in China. So a lot more fanatical ultranationalists came home alive than did for Germany.


89 posted on 02/21/2005 7:53:48 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham; snowsislander
I disagree. Could the Japanese ever do enough to placate these feelings in China: apologize (already have, many times), apologize in writing, change their history books (which they should), open a "rape of Nanking" museum in Tokyo? Probably not. Japan was bombed mercilessly into surrender, most of its leaders were tried and hung, and the war's been over for 60 years.

I stand by my original agreement that the Chicoms just use WWII atrocities to fuel nationalistic flames and divert attention from their own domestic failures. It's just like anti-Western/Israeli sentiments in Arab countries: blame the West/Jews instead of holding your own government accountable.

90 posted on 02/21/2005 8:28:36 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

Japanese apologies have only been of the "I'm sorry that your perception of what I said..." sort that admit no wrongdoing and apologize for nothing. An apology is where you admit that what you did was wrong and Japan has never apologized.

And as for a "rape of Nanking" museum there already is a museum in Japan dedicated to the heroic Japanese struggle to liberate Asia from Western oppression and Tojo's heroic struggle to extend the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere to all. No mention of comfort girls or chemical warfare experiments on Chinese prisoners or Nanking.


91 posted on 02/21/2005 8:36:33 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: DTogo
I stand by my original agreement that the Chicoms just use WWII atrocities to fuel nationalistic flames and divert attention from their own domestic failures. It's just like anti-Western/Israeli sentiments in Arab countries: blame the West/Jews instead of holding your own government accountable.

I agree as to that's exactly why the Chinese are doing this.

If the Chinese people were truly and legitimately angry at any group, then it would rightly be most angry at the murderous CCP which has killed far more Chinese than any other entity on this earth. Not only does this go on now in suppressing their own people, but the CCP ordered the slaughter of tens of millions in the Cultural Revolution, and the massive numbers killed by the communists before they even took power.

The Chinese Communist Party is the unrepentant heir to the bloodiest excesses of the 20th century. Germany's and Japan's current leadership are derived from democratic processes and are not direct heirs of the Axis governments. If there were a shred of sense to blaming them for the Axis governments, then it would be far more sensible to attach such to the current Chinese Communist Party.

All adult living Chinese probably remember Tiananmen; for them to be angry at Japan's excesses which only the oldest can directly remember, and ignore the bloodshed that occurred less than 20 years ago speaks to me of simple political manipulation.

92 posted on 02/21/2005 8:48:08 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander

Well said!


93 posted on 02/21/2005 9:00:48 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Sam the Sham

yeah - it's strange that they were able to hold some sense of honor after a humiliating defeat.

Having lived in Germany and Japan I believe that the Japanese have done far more to assimilate into today's culture.

I hate Germans - love the Japanese.

and my heritage is German - it's a conundrum


94 posted on 02/21/2005 9:09:38 AM PST by Southern62
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To: Joe Boucher

>>When you have billions and billions of folks it makes you a super economic power simply by purchasing power they collectively have.

Thank you Carl Sagan. I am not sure that the 900 million farmers and factory workers that scratch "Sammy Sosa" on the side of plastic figurines really have purchasing power.

>>You should see the old genghis kahn movie where they say you don't have to over power your opponnt, just in time have your culture overpower the invader/

You should have heard the old tale that Genghis Khan was actually Yoshitsune Minamoto.


95 posted on 02/21/2005 11:50:13 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Cronos

>>You and me both. In fact, I personally am persuing a claim against Italians for raping and pillaging my Celtic brethern 2000 years ago!

>Well, then, you may have got the bloodlines of both the victim and the perpetrator...

No, because they raped my BRETHERN. Which really isn't all that much better.


96 posted on 02/21/2005 11:51:47 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle

Little things like for instance electric fans. Every house in asia has two or three of them. Wish I'd gotten into the fan industry 40 years ago there.
That is purchasing power.
Yeah the vast majority are poor peasent dirt farmers or laborers but the sheer mass of humanity means lots of money earned and spent.


97 posted on 02/21/2005 12:37:09 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Chef Dajuan
Japan is by law nuclear-free.

All their nuclear power reactors use plutonium, not uranium. They have more access to fresh weapons grade materials than we do.

98 posted on 02/21/2005 12:59:10 PM PST by Reeses (What a person sees is mostly behind their eyeballs rather than in front.)
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To: snowsislander
Another one from The People's Daily:

China-Japan differences moving frictions to military field



The year 2005 has just begun and the differences between the two neighboring countries - China and Japan, instead of shrinking, are showing a dangerous sign of gradually moving frictions to the military field.

According to inside information disclosed by the Japanese Kyodo News Agency Japan Defense Agency has enacted specific action plan to defend the southwest islands. The plan decided that when something happened in the southwest islands apart from sending fighter planes and destroyers the Japan Defense Agency would dispatch as many as 55,000 soldiers of the Ground Self Defense Forces and special forces there. The so-called southwest islands mentioned in the guideline also include China's Diaoyu Island.

Officials with the Japan Defense Agency said most of the southwest islands have no troops stationed there and are blank areas in terms of territory defense. The Chinese navy keeps expanding activity scope. The SDF needs to pay attention to its future movement. The target of what he said is quite obvious.

This provocation on the part of Japan directly incensed China. Chinese FM spokesman Kong Quan said on January 18 that the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands have been China's territory since the ancient times. Japan has different opinions in this regard. China always holds that China and Japan should solve relevant disputes through negotiations and consultations rather than take any unilateral actions.

By comparison China's attitude is more restrained.

Over the year Japan has on the one hand disseminated the "China military threat theory" and on the other embodied this theory in its official documents. In November, 2004 the Japan Defense Agency put up the show of revealing "three possibilities of China's attack on Japan". On December 7, 2004 Japanese PM Assistant Yoriko Kawaguchi, who was attending the Meeting of European Security Cooperation Organizations, tried to dissuade the EU from lifting China arms embargo. The Japanese Defense White Paper 2004 and the report of the Security Safeguard and Defense Strength Conference" published in November, 2004 all preached the "China military threat theory". On December 10, 2004 the Japanese cabinet passed a new Defense Plan Outline, which apart from singing the old tune of "DPRK threat theory" puts the "China military threat theory" into this official government security policy document for the first time.

In 2004 Japan sped up the pace toward a military power of "Japan-US integration" and "overseas intervention" in such aspects as security strategy, relevant systems and armament etc. International public opinion believes that Japan resorts to the strategy of "a thief crying 'stop thief'" and try to fan the "China military threat theory" to clear public opinion obstacles both at home and abroad.

In such an atmosphere the China-Japan security mutual trust fell even lower. The "security dilemma" of being mutually guarded has not been eased. PM Junichiro Koizumi's visit to the Yasukuni Shrine again killed the mutual visits by fleets of the two countries. Military exchange was in a stagnant state.

Jin Xide, a research fellow at the Japan Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said "enhancing mutual trust" would be an import subject in China-Japan relations in 2005. In the new year the possibility that China and Japan make breakthrough in the security area is rather low.

In 2005 the competent departments of the Chinese and Japanese governments would continue to carry out dialogues and negotiations centered on mutual differences and cooperation. These questions involve wide areas such as the demarcation of the East China Sea and oil gas field exploitation as well as economics and trade, technology, energy and environmental protection etc. The defense departments of the two countries would continue to launch security dialogues and military exchanges at various levels. Due to the high sensitivity of these areas this kind of dialogues would be influenced and limited by the China-Japan political relations. On the other hand, the possibility whether a stable security dialogue and military exchange system relatively independent of the political frictions between the two countries can be established has been listed into agenda as an important way of thinking.

In recent years the thought of mutual visits by Chinese and Japanese fleets has long attracted attention as an important link to expand military exchange and enhance security mutual trust. In 2005 if the question of PM Junichiro Koizumi's visit to the Yasukuni Shrine is solved appropriately, political atmosphere surrounding the two countries thaws and warms up, public opinions of China and Japan grows relaxed, this projection may resurface. However, the Liberal Democratic Party - the governing party in Japan adopted a new policy guideline on Jan. 18, which proclaimed support of PM Junichiro Koizumi's visit to the Yasukuni Shrine. This made observers of the China-Japan relations even more nervous.

The Japanese economy sank into a long depression after 1991 whilst China entered an economic blast-off in the 1990s. Meanwhile the intension of the Japanese decision-making body to break through the "peace constitution" drawing on "pressure" from the US is growing increasingly clear. Its will to become a political power and a military power has grown stronger. Under the influence of these factors competition between China and Japan and their watchful mentality form a vicious circle.

On the question of history the Japanese right-wring conservative forces keep instigating incidents to reverse the history of Japan's invasion of China. China is forced to make restrained response after long forbearance. All the facts prove that the one who is "holding tight to the historical question" is Japan, not China.

Military disputes repeat the routine of the historical question. Japan keeps instigating incidents and China is forced to respond. The military tone of Japan's China policy is becoming increasingly thicker. Japan's China diplomacy is growing "aggressive".

Today's Japanese decision-making body is deviating from the peaceful development course based on reflecting on defeated war experience and is attempting to revive the "past power and prestige" backed by might. For Japan a stable external environment built by means of good neighborhood diplomacy and peace should be a less costly and more efficient way. To choose a way of befriending distant states while attacking those nearby would not necessarily bring about Japan's increased security. Moreover, if even the neighboring countries refuse support how is it possible for Japan to fulfill its "political power dream"?

Recently some people in China, failing to truly understand Japan's political intention and means, have claimed to want to "find solution for the China-Japan relations". But the prescription they wrote was so crude as to say that China should make a comprehensive concession toward Japan! The Japanese have made complete study of some Chinese's psychological weaknesses and have become tough even on questions whose nature is so clear as visits to the Yasukuni Shrine.

Jin Xide believes that we should have a clear understanding and accept the reality that the China-Japan "chilly politics" cannot be completely avoided, and make better mental preparation for the fluctuation of the China-Japan political relations, give up the illusion of making unilateral concession so as to exchange for a "hot-politics" situation. This way will be more conducive to calmer and rational handling of the China-Japan political frictions and steady advance of the China-Japan relations.

By People's Daily Online


99 posted on 02/21/2005 6:04:32 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: killjoy
A better example might be Doris Miller. "It wasn't hard. I just pulled the trigger and she worked fine. I had watched the others with these guns. I guess I fired her for about fifteen minutes. I think I got one of those Jap planes. They were diving pretty close to us."
100 posted on 02/21/2005 8:17:14 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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