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Demand for Japanese vehicles pushed the Big Three's market share to an all-time low in 2004
MLive.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | JOHN PORRETTO

Posted on 01/05/2005 6:21:13 AM PST by wmichgrad

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1 posted on 01/05/2005 6:21:13 AM PST by wmichgrad
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You know what is a big part of it for me? I can not bring myself into buying an American car made by a union. I feel like I am supporting the enemy knowing that the union will use my money (wages and dues) to support every left wing socialist nut in the next election.

I wish unions would stick to union issues.


2 posted on 01/05/2005 6:23:23 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
Interesting Point!
I bought Japanese for the quality -- ALONE -- but your pov has merit as well.
3 posted on 01/05/2005 6:25:38 AM PST by ThirstyMan (Why is it, all the dead vote for Democrats?)
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To: 2banana
You may have a point BUT, If we continue to avoid American automobiles, the very last industry left here in the States will be gone.
When our economy collapses union or non union - it won't really matter.
I've had some really bad "run-ins" with unions too, but I still support American Built, American owned, automobiles.

Cordially,
GE
4 posted on 01/05/2005 6:28:45 AM PST by GrandEagle
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Help me out for a minute. How can Chrysler be one of the American big 3, when it is owned by Mercedes? How can the Chrysler 300 be classified as an American car when it is built in Windsor, Canada?How can my Honda be a foreign car when it is wholly built in Merrisville, Ohio in the United States.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

5 posted on 01/05/2005 6:32:34 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor asks.)
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To: GrandEagle
Toyota is built in Tennessee I think. They are also putting a plant in Texas. They are listed on our stock exchanges too.

A lot of the profits are sent to Japan though.

I would have to look into it to see how much of what goes where.

6 posted on 01/05/2005 6:32:46 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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Phantom Lord <--- Owns a Honda and Toyota.

The Toyota is a 1991 Previa and has 230,000+ miles. I will not get rid of it till it hits 300,000. And then it is likely to be difficult to part with, if I do.

7 posted on 01/05/2005 6:33:23 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: GrandEagle
You may have a point BUT, If we continue to avoid American automobiles, the very last industry left here in the States will be gone. When our economy collapses union or non union - it won't really matter. I've had some really bad "run-ins" with unions too, but I still support American Built, American owned, automobiles.

I know - it really tears me up. My last car was a Honda built in America in a non-union plant. About as best a compromise as I can get right now.

With unions being so political (socialist), they are really affecting sales and jobs...

8 posted on 01/05/2005 6:33:43 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GrandEagle

The Big 3 Auto makers are the last industry left in America?


9 posted on 01/05/2005 6:34:32 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: ThirstyMan

I buy Japanese for the quality AND style/design. The Union/DNC point is a good one, though: funny to see an American pick-up truck with a Bush-Cheney sticker on it, yet the union that built it endorsed Kerry-Edwards!


10 posted on 01/05/2005 6:35:40 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: GrandEagle
. . . BUT, If we continue to avoid American automobiles, the very last industry left here in the States will be gone.

Except for the Japanese plants.

11 posted on 01/05/2005 6:39:01 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Phantom Lord
The Big 3 Auto makers are the last industry left in America?
Maybe I should rephrase it One of the last major manufacturers. - Thanks for the correction.

Cordially,
GE
12 posted on 01/05/2005 6:39:44 AM PST by GrandEagle
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but I still support American Built, American owned, automobiles.

Serious question...

Is it better to buy a Japanese, German, or other foreign car built in America or is it better to buy a Ford or GM built in Canada or Mexico?

13 posted on 01/05/2005 6:40:46 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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I know, it is tough to decide what it best at times.
The last one we bought was a 2002 Taurus built in Georgia. The assembly quality is great, it is just a VERY poorly engineered automobile.

GE
14 posted on 01/05/2005 6:42:56 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Phantom Lord
So far, I have been able to buy Home built and owned.
Good question though. My guess would be to buy a Home built even if it is Foreign owned. That way, maybe more of the money stays here I think.???
At least Americans get to have jobs.

Cordially,
GE
15 posted on 01/05/2005 6:46:09 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: ThirstyMan

Ford is currently and intentionally on a business model of surrender market share, but improve margin.. Definately a sacreligious model of tradition in Detriot, but that honestly is their model, and so far from a profit perspective it seems to be working.


16 posted on 01/05/2005 6:47:03 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: GrandEagle
Ross Perot said it best when he got his seat on the board of one of these big automakers..

He said,"Lets make these cars better before its obvious to the brain dead that we have a problem."

I think its definately an engineering issue.

17 posted on 01/05/2005 6:47:53 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

How can the Chrysler 300 be classified as an American car when it is built in Windsor, Canada?How can my Honda be a foreign car when it is wholly built in Merrisville, Ohio in the United States.

Very good question...goes back to where the main all-powerful corporate offices are located and where the masterminding comes from.

I own a used car dealership and I love to argue (in a debate sort of way) when customers come in and insist on buying "American" (or "Foreign" for that matter) that globalization of economies has seriously blurred the lines between what is and what is not a domestic vehicle.

When you factor in steel from Japan or Mexico, textiles from Asia or South America, assembly in the US, Canada or Mexico, and over 5000 moving parts that come from every corner of the globe, you're not *just* buying what you think you are buying.


18 posted on 01/05/2005 6:48:40 AM PST by Dasaji (WOO HOO!!!! 4 More Years!! - HEY! Become a FreeRepublic Monthly Donor!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Bingo. You hit the nail on the head.


19 posted on 01/05/2005 6:49:12 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: wmichgrad

I drive a 10 year old Honda Accord, bought new, with over 175,000 miles on it with no major engine or drivetrain repairs that I'll keep until it falls apart. In my long life, I've never owned (or seen anyone else own) a single American car that has the performance and reliability track record of the Accord. And my wife drives a new Toyota Sienna which replaces a Mercury Villager she had for seven years (on which we had to replace the transmission after 80,000 miles) that crapped out with a little over 110,000 miles on it.

Funny thing; we bought the Villager against our better judgment, not wanting to buy an American vehicle because of the quality problems. The Villager line was essentially a Nissan (Japanese) design that Ford made under contract. True to American form, the Villager didn't live much beyond 100,000 miles.

This is the problem for American automakers. As a customer, when I have to pay as much for a new vehicle as I used to pay for a house, it damn well better last nearly as long as a house! American cars just don't cut the mustard anymore, and haven't for a long time!


20 posted on 01/05/2005 6:51:25 AM PST by bowzer313
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