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To: wmichgrad

I drive a 10 year old Honda Accord, bought new, with over 175,000 miles on it with no major engine or drivetrain repairs that I'll keep until it falls apart. In my long life, I've never owned (or seen anyone else own) a single American car that has the performance and reliability track record of the Accord. And my wife drives a new Toyota Sienna which replaces a Mercury Villager she had for seven years (on which we had to replace the transmission after 80,000 miles) that crapped out with a little over 110,000 miles on it.

Funny thing; we bought the Villager against our better judgment, not wanting to buy an American vehicle because of the quality problems. The Villager line was essentially a Nissan (Japanese) design that Ford made under contract. True to American form, the Villager didn't live much beyond 100,000 miles.

This is the problem for American automakers. As a customer, when I have to pay as much for a new vehicle as I used to pay for a house, it damn well better last nearly as long as a house! American cars just don't cut the mustard anymore, and haven't for a long time!


20 posted on 01/05/2005 6:51:25 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: bowzer313

I'd thought about buying a new Sienna this year, but decided to wait for the Hybrid version which will be out in a few years. Found a nice 2003 Town & Country LTD AWD, with low mileage, so that will hold us over until the hybrid Sienna comes along.


23 posted on 01/05/2005 6:56:57 AM PST by SuziQ (It's the most wonderful time of the year!)
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To: bowzer313
As a customer, when I have to pay as much for a new vehicle as I used to pay for a house, it damn well better last nearly as long as a house!

Good point. American cars don't last. How many 10 yearto 15 year old American cars do you see on the road that actually look decent?? Conversely, I see tons of 1988-1994 BMW's and Volvos that look almost new.

28 posted on 01/05/2005 7:01:24 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bowzer313

I always buy GM cars. Mine always seem to last far over 200,000 without any major problems. My oldest car (and most trustworthy) is a 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix. It has 198,00 miles, has been in 1 wreck, has been driven on dirt roads a lot (I live on a farm), and has had no problems exept for normal maintenance stuff like an alternator.


29 posted on 01/05/2005 7:02:51 AM PST by loreldan
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To: bowzer313
a single American car that has the performance and reliability track record of the Accord.
I've not had a problem.
My last pickup was a 1991 Dodge Dakota. I sold it at 345,000 miles. The guy that bought it still drives it. It just got too small for me.
I them bought a 1995 F-150 (used) with 104,000 miles on it. It now has 410,000 miles on it and is still rolling just fine. It does eat brakes every 40,000 or so miles though.
Neither of these have had any major problems other than normal maintenance, and 2 water pumps and an A/C compressor on the Dakota.
We have a 1995 Thunderbird that we bought new. It has 145,000 miles on it and looks and drived brand new. We have done nothing to it other than normal maintenance.
I could go on, First car 1962 Chrysler 230,000 when it reacted to the tree I tried to insert into the body.
1969 Dodge 265,000 miles (I did wear out the front suspension on this one - lack on maintenance)
1967 Chevelle - not too good of a car here.
1975 Pontiac - New 295,000 miles when gas just got too high. No problems with it.
1987 Thunderbird Turbo coupe. new 195,000 miles with no problems.
1992 Dodge Daytona New - rolling pile of scrap.
1994 Nissan New - Scrap
1990 Mustang new, 110,000 miles one it when I sold it - no problems, looked and drove like new.

Cordially
GE
34 posted on 01/05/2005 7:08:04 AM PST by GrandEagle
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