Married Episcopal priest will become priest in Roman Catholic Diocese of Scanton

virtueonline ^ | Jan 4 04 | David Virtue

[SaltyJoe]

Okay. I'll try again, but please don't think that I'm insulting you.

Your soul is both battle ground and prize.

God and Satan fight for it's possession.

Christianity desires God to possess your soul.

The Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is the Bride of Christ and model of Christianity.

Anglican Episcopalian is not modeled after a life of Christ.

The Catholic Church accepts a soul for the same reason Satan devours a soul.

A soul is a soul.

Sorry for the confusion. It could probably be explained better by Christ. He might just as well say, "Love each other as I have loved you." Jesus didn't marry (in spite of Hollywood and MSM hype). Today's Catholic priests don't marry. Catholic priests are trying to live the life of Christ. Anglican priests cannot.

I'd love to drone on, but my body desires possession of food. Not hardly as much as God desires possession of your soul, but I'm not going to let my hunger get that great even if I could.

[Palladin]

sinky, you know I agree with you completely on this issue, so I will just say "DITTO" to all your posts on this thread.

Celibacy is an unnatural state.

"It is not good for man to be alone"...God, The Bible

[conservlib]

If you ask a bunch of young men who does not want to get married or have a girl friend-ever, mostly homosexuals may answer affirmatively. Homosexual guys are never going to have a girl friend, or want to get married, so why not become a Catholic priest?

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[conservlib]

You may teach your son not to smoke, and he may have a determination in his own mind never to smoke, but that does not mean that if he hags with people who are all smokers, day, after day, he may get the urge to try ONE, and that will drag him into a pack immediately. Believe me!

[conservlib]

Jesus is the son of god. We attempt to emulate his life. However, beside that he or Paul were not exposed to our TV/Movies!

[conservlib]

The Maronite right is typically practiced in a less sex obsessed society than the US.

[sinkspur]

If you ask a bunch of young men who does not want to get married or have a girl friend-ever, mostly homosexuals may answer affirmatively. Homosexual guys are never going to have a girl friend, or want to get married, so why not become a Catholic priest?

The clergy, as a helping profession, attracts homosexuals, as does education, psychology, scouting, coaching...you add to the list.

Gays will never be eliminated entirely from the priesthood, as they are not eliminated from denominations that allow married ministers.

But, a certain kind of candidate presents himself when he's decided he will be single for the rest of his life. And, in a majority of cases, that man will struggle with being single and celibate.

About half the men in the priesthood are called to celibacy. The rest are either gay or are called to marriage and fight like hell to stay celibate.

The permanent diaconate, which permits married men, ordains about 750 men per year (they must be over 35)in the US. The celibate priesthood ordains about 400, not enough to replace the men who leave or die.

The only vocation in the Catholic Church that is growing is the one that accepts mature married men as candidates.

[Salvation]

This has happened two times in the Archdiocese of Portland, Oregon.

[conservlib]

My favorite priest as I was growing up was a German priest, who was transfered back to Germany, but I kept in touch with him. Later on, he wrote me a letter saying that he had left the priesthood, and got married. This guy was an example of humble/humility/service to all, and loved all.

[Salvation]

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[sinkspur]

One of the best priests I've ever known left the priesthood to marry. Great loss for the Church, I think.

Of the guys I went to seminary with, and were ordained, I'd say about a third (45 or so) have left the priesthood. And they were, by far, the best preachers, had the best presence at Mass, and were sought out by their parishioners.

A tremendous loss of talent for the Church, all due to the absurd requirement that 24 year old men commit to never being near a woman again.

[sinkspur]

You're overstating your case. There are, to be sure, a number of heterosexual men called to celibacy and the priesthood. But, their numbers are not as near as many as are currently in the priesthood, even with its depletion.

As I already said, the rest are made up of homosexuals and men called to marry who shoehorn themselves into a celibate lifestyle and are miserable.

[hinckley buzzard]

"Homoerotic" refers to desires, not people. "Homoerotic bishop" is a phrase wich actually makes no sense. I think it must be an attempt at euphemizing the accurate phrase, "homosexual bishop."

I wonder why he did that.

[conservlib]

The orthodox priests get married, and they perform a good service to their parishioners. The orthodox church did not deviate from the teaching of Jesus one inch, and it has more deeply religious followers than the Catholic church has now. Hence, celibacy did not do the Roman Catholic church any favor.

[wideawake]

Really? Then why has the Vatican allowed over 400 converts from Anglicanism and Lutheranism, 98% of them married with children, be ordained?

Because it's not particularly fair to ask an adult head of household to give up the only job his education and career history suit him for purely for a disciplinary stricture which exists solely in the Latin Rite. It's like telling him that his children have to suffer for him to convert.

(I'll note parenthetically that these situations seem to be developing their own rite separate from the Latin Rite, as the details of this case bear out.)

And 99% of the advocates of a married priesthood draw zero distinction between an unmarried ordinand and a married ordinand, as if a married man becoming a priest and a priest becoming a married man are equivalent situations, when historically no apostolic branch of Christianity has ever accepted the latter.

[conservlib]

The Orthodox church has some priests who are married, and others who are celibate. Only the celibate ones can get promoted to bishops.

[wideawake]

The only vocation in the Catholic Church that is growing is the one that accepts mature married men as candidates.

There is no separate vocation with that title. We can play statistically with the actual pool and say that the vocation of being a celibate priest who exclusively celebrates the Tridentine Mass is also a growing vocation in the Church. Or that the vocation of being an African celibate priest is a growing vocation, etc., etc.

The reality of the growing number of married converts being ordained is as much or more a function of the continuing apostasy of mainline denominations away from decency and morality as it is a factor of celibacy within the Church.