Posted on 06/13/2004 4:27:40 AM PDT by oceanperch
I agree with that Chad. But I would like it done through the legislature, NOT by putting WA businessmen and employees out of work while special interest groups grease their politicans' pockets to get exemptions from illegal county laws. Is THAT what you mean by conservatism? I think elections and legal legislation is a better and more permanent answer than your "bite me" we've got ours, you get yours proposition. Since when have you begun supporting scheming liberal and democrat politicians as they funnel millions into rat campaign coffers? It is not a choice between your heritage and conserativism. This is a simple issue of democrat pols getting big bucks from a support group by manipulating regulations. The tribes would make $ still, even if other WA busniesses competed. Infact they would probably see greater accountability to their people. If you can get over the Indian connection for just a moment, you could see more clearly past race. Try substituting the word woman, or illegal or Mexican or any other minority, and see if you would feel the same. You would probably not support the two-tiered grab by the rats.
LOL DennisW just jumps into the swirling black waters of a business problem that happens to have the word Indian in it. Watch out! It's hot in this frying pan;)
WA state is a mess business wise. Over regulation and taxation. The rats have had a field day for 40 years. I agree all taxes and regs should be lowered. But by the legislature, not by the democrat politicians exempting their special interest tribal groups - thereby putting other WA people out of business, and then accepting huge campaign donations. NO, that makes for a future mess, not a solution.... IMHO.
Liberals and most conservatives have a guilt complex when it comes to American Indians. This is the obvious reason no one challenges the whole notion of Indian casinos on their phony "sovereign nation" land. I feel for the original inhabitants of America but I don't believe in elevating them to billionaires and millionaires via Indian casinos. Which are basically a Democrat party plot to integrate tribal mega bucks into the Democrat party fund raising machine
You are so right. We are being held hostage by the Chumash tribe and the politicians who benefit from their shake down.
My solution is to allow the free market to work and not give any group special privilages over another.
If people wanted legalized gambling outside of Indian reservations it would happen, but they don't. That's not the Indian's fault.
Are you really this ignorant, Dennis? I thought you were smarter than that. I really did.
Now, why don't you take that ignorant statement, and tell that to the thousands of Mohawks who travelled the country working the High Steel? Ya know, those indians who didn't build modern America, who in reality did a large portion of the work on such engineering marvels as the World Trade Center, and the thousands of other skyscrapers throughout this nation.
And that's but one example. But hey, what would I know?
Because you stated "good for us" and "protection agianst whites". And you stick with your ethnic identificaiton even though it's putting other WA people out of business illegally and unfairly. I don't want tribes to do badly. I am just insisting that if INDIANS can run a certain type of business, other WA residents should have the same right. Don't you agree?
I only support the so-called "two-tiers" because I support the constitution.
As soon as you can show me where in the constitution, or in any agreement between the tribal nations and our government where it says that the county-level governments have the legal ability to regulate Indian land, then I'll stop supporting it.
Until then, I'll just continue to fight for lower taxes and less regulation for EVERYONE, regardless of race, color, creed, sex etc...
We have leagalized gambling across WA (unfortunately) but only tribes are allowed certain games and machines... Non-tribal need not apply....
I can't speak for Fish Hawk, but I agree. So, why don't you work through the state legislature and see if you can get a state law passed allowing non-indians to also have casinos? What's stopping you from pursuing that direction, Libertina? Anything?
So get the law changed. It's State law that's not allowing you to do that, not Indians.
I'm totally with you.
The reason I don't get involved with it other than on the tax/regulation/business/etc end and stay out of the fact that it involves Indians is because I have no experience .......however I have plenty of experience with the special interests greasing pols pockets when it comes to some getting things (like casinos) while others are forbidden. In the case in Delware it was the horse racing industry and the 3 existing tracks in the state.
It is the exact same situation....which is why I don't look at this particular issue as a white man vs. the Indian. It's taxation and regulation manipulation that benefits one group while hurting the little guy who is just trying to make a living.
That is peanuts compared to the Chumash. 150 "tribe members" receive about $500,000 per year for their Las Vegas style casino. There are approximately 7500-9500 Chumash descendants, but the 150 former reservation dweller "tribal members" will not vote into the tribe the Chumash who went to school, worked hard, got jobs, and left the government housing.
And don't even mention DNA tests to determine who is actually a Chumash. The Res Squatters run the tribe.
Good point. Sad, but good point.
Are you really this ignorant, Dennis? I thought you were smarter than that. I really did.
Now, why don't you take that ignorant statement, and tell that to the thousands of Mohawks who traveled the country working the High Steel? Ya know, those Indians who didn't build modern America, who in reality did a large portion of the work on such engineering marvels as the World Trade Center, and the thousands of other skyscrapers throughout this nation.
Mohawks made their big bucks construction money OFF RESERVATION! Yet another argument against your phony sovereign nation when it suits you for casinos scam. That never would have happened except for hack Democrat lawyers ramming casino laws through state legislatures. Who now have Indian campaign contributions streaming into Democrat coffers.
Well if nothing else, the sign is rather witty.
If we proclaim that Indians shouldn't be thin-skinned when it comes to team nicknames, costumes, etc., then perhaps we should follow our own advice and not overreact to a bit of venting.
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