Smoked out

projo.com ^ | 04-04-04 | JENNIFER LEVITZ

[babaloo999]

To me, it's a litter problem. A lot (alot) of smokers don't have the decency to put the butts out and put them in a proper receptacle. It's also a disgusting habit I finally gave up--well, two habits. I usually tried to dispose of the butts. As in, not add to the filth already on the ground.
I do pity smokers as they are addicted to a bad habit, but I have my own habits I need to concentrate on, so I don't bother smokers and they don't bother me, except for the litter.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Even before the government forced smokers outside, we had break rooms, or smoking rooms. We never had any "fires."

Not everyone is curtious and uses and ash tray or butt can. When my folks had a small bar and grill, they routinely had people that would put their cigarettes out ON THE FLOOR.

I was at a bar in a different town one evening and watched some guy put a cigarette out on the establishments carpeted floor. I grabbed an ash tray, gave it to the guy and told him what he did was rude and to use the ash tray. The bartender (owner's son), saw what I did and called me over to the bar and thanked me. He said they get plenty of customers that would put their cigarettes out on the floor and not listen when they wre asked to not do so. He said maybe they will listen to a fellow customer.

Somehow, I DOUBT IT!

[tdadams]

Then you agree that these are "private property's?" Then you also believe that restaurants are also "private property's" and should be run the way the business owner decides, and not the state government?

Didn't I say as much in my first paragraph?

Ahhh. Wrong. I pay for my own insurance. Always have.

Your one anecdotal case is not the norm. Most companies pay, and pay a lot, for their employees health insurance.

Read my previous posts.

I have. It sounds like a lot of sophistry. The reality is that those people don't have too little to do, they just prioritize their smoke breaks above their job duties.

[SheLion]

I agree completely. It is private property. The wishes of the property owner must be respected. I don't allow smoking in my home, and this is little different.

So, if this is a "private business" and not state owned, then you also agree that restaurants are "private businesses" and not state owned, therefore, the state should not FORCE smoking bans on the privately owned restaurant. Correct? It should be left up to the OWNER and not the state!

[SheLion]

Let me post this again:

I agree completely. It is private property. The wishes of the property owner must be respected. I don't allow smoking in my home, and this is little different.

[Mr. Bird]

I'm a smoker, and all for private businesses determining what activities are allowed at the workplace. This also means I don't think the government should have any authority to regulate any legal activities in the private workplace.

[steve-b]

Is Lowes going to remove all vending machines from their break areas?

If they wish to do so, and are not prohibited from doing so by contract, certainly.

[Skooz]

So, if this is a "private business" and not state owned, then you also agree that restaurants are "private businesses" and not state owned, therefore, the state should not FORCE smoking bans on the privately owned restaurant. Correct? It should be left up to the OWNER and not the state!

Uh. Yeah. Restaraunts are private property, as well.

[SheLion]

Uh, it is private property, it's owned by someone other than the government.

EXACTLY! Just like RESTAURANTS/BARS and TAVERNS.

These stores have every right to do this. And you and I have every right to not work there, not shop there and/or encourage others to boycott the stores in question because of this policy.

EXACTLY! If a Restaurant/Bar or Tavern has a smoking section, then non-smokers do not have to GO THERE.  They can move on down the street to a less friendly Smoking  Restaurant/Bar or Tavern.  Correct?

[badbass]

I guess I'll either never shop there again, or make sure that I stand outside their front door and smoke before I go in. Good Lord, I hate control freaks!

[dirtboy]

EXACTLY! If a Restaurant/Bar or Tavern has a smoking section, then non-smokers do not have to GO THERE. They can move on down the street to a less friendly Smoking Restaurant/Bar or Tavern. Correct?

I disagree with state and local laws mandating that businesses be completely smoke free. Instead, let the marketplace deal with it. Have a business decide whether they want to have smoking on their premises or not. Let consumers decide with their wallets as to what is the best approach.

However, that's a completely different subject than a business deciding that they don't want their employees smoking anywhere on their premises. No government is involved there, and they are within their property rights to decide what activity they wish to allow on their property.

[Syncro]

Easy solution:

Chewing Tobacco/Pretty Brass Spittoon.

[SheLion]

Every waiter, waitress, host, hostess, and owner that I talked to said the same thing. "Smokers are better customers all around."

It just makes sense. We are relaxing with our friends and families, enjoying a good meal and our beverage. We love the surroundings and we hate to leave.

Therefore, we buy more, we tip better and we go back time and time again.

Now, you take away the smoking equations, and there is a very uncomfortable hole in this picture.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Yep. Now I get in get out and seldom linger. I still tip well but instead of hanging around and spending more, I go.

[SheLion]

Maybe Lowes will remove junk food machines. That would help.

Got to start SOMEWHERE! Here we have some future LOWE'S employees! heh!

But oh boy, they don't SMOKE! LOL!

[Hodar]

I'm not at work now. Are YOU?

Funny you should ask. Yes, I am. I don't take breaks, or even a lunch. I'm salaried and typically work from 8:30 until 6:30 M-F. When I'm running a simulation, I usually find myself with an hour or so a couple times a day where there is nothing to do but wait for the simulation to finish. So, I have no problems coming here, and wasting time.

What does that have to do with smokers taking breaks that non-smokes are forbidden from doing?

[LisaMalia]

I don't want to interfer in ANYONE's life.

I'm just saying, if you are making an anti-smoking argument for insurance purposes, then in all fairness, an anti-junk food policy should be in place as well.

[metesky]

You and I, as non-employees, can smoke in our cars and walking through the parking lot at Lowes. We just can't smoke in their building.
:O)

[SheLion]

I was at a bar in a different town one evening and watched some guy put a cigarette out on the establishments carpeted floor. I grabbed an ash tray, gave it to the guy and told him what he did was rude and to use the ash tray. The bartender (owner's son), saw what I did and called me over to the bar and thanked me. He said they get plenty of customers that would put their cigarettes out on the floor and not listen when they wre asked to not do so. He said maybe they will listen to a fellow customer.

I've never met anyone this ignorant.

Even when I was younger, and we partied hard and hung around very drunk smokers, they always used their ashtrays.

[SheLion]

I usually tried to dispose of the butts. As in, not add to the filth already on the ground.

Have you ever been in the military and learned how to "field strip" a cigarette? If your outside and there are no receptacles, then field strip the cigarette. No one will be the wiser.