Revenues up 9% in New York Bars

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[Gabz]

Well, it is a fact of life that you cannot fight every battle. I guess I am more perturbed with the War on Some Drugs, Rampant unchecked illegal immigration, the abolishion of the 2nd and 4th ammendments, out of control taxes, and larger infringements of the consitution than wringing my hands over exactly where someone can administer a drug. Maybe once those things get squared away, i'll be more motivated to fight for the rights of "smokers".

Thank you very much..............I've been saying similar things for years, with slight adjustments on my subjects.

I'm not fighting for the "rights" of smokers, I'm fighting for the "rights" of private property owners to determine their particular clintele/market without any further government intrusion.

You and I are going to just have to continue to agree to disagree on some things.

[Melinator]

Whatever. How does this in any way justify assuming control over the private businesses of restaurants and bars who wish to allow smoking in any event?

[JoeSixPack1]

Liberal talk radio and smoking bans, neither one is a market driven choice.

[Just another Joe]

You are correct, it's not a law, regulation, or (decree?).
How many food service establishments do you think will disregard the "guidelines" of the federal govt?

Now that we have established that the federal govt hasn't got any, which state/county/municiple regulations would you like to explore?

[Hand em their arse]

"Maybe I should open up a smoking bar and ban alcohol."


Hey, let me know the day you do so I can come visit because that'll be about as long as you stay open, LOL!

[Just another Joe]

ensuring that there is a valid reason for all visits to the non-public areas of the establishment before providing access to the facility

So the fact that I may want to see if the facility is clean and well managed is not a valid reason?

[Carolinamom]

Proof that folks are drinking more. Gasp. They're all gonna die.

[SheLion]

Liberal talk radio and smoking bans, neither one is a market driven choice.

I never listen to Liberal talk radio. All I am concerned with is the loss of revenue for business owners due to the forced smoking bans. I am also concerned for the waitstaff that have hours and wages cut in half due to the smoking ban. I am also concerned for the closing of business's and the loss of jobs due to the smoking bans.

SMOKING BANS ARE CHOKING THE ECONOMY.

[wtc911]

"Contrary to what you anti-smokers say, non smokers do die"...Gabz post #248

"I never said you claimed that non-smokers don't die"....Gabz post #266

Your second comment is just nonsense. One of my posts specifically says that of course not all smokers die from long term debilitating diseases. You say that I "insinuate" the opposite. How about sticking to what I say, not what you think I mean.

Finally, insinuating or even stating that all smokers will die such a death (neither of which I did) in no way insinuates anything at all about non-smokers.

Hundreds of thousands of deaths related to diseases caused by smoking vs. the fact that you say you've smoked for twenty years without suffering means nothing more than you've been lucky so far. My sincere hope for your daughter's sake is that you stay lucky.

[Gabz]

Totally bizarre......

Before I moved out of Delaware, I wish the cops had decided to show up at my house with drug sniffing dogs.............the dogs would never have allowed their handlers near my place, they would have been dragging them across the street.

Personally, I don't give a hoot what anyone is doing and I think the WOD is a waste of money and manpower. With that said, I will admit that I had a major problem with the crack dealers across the street from me. Had they kept it in the house or even in their driveway I would not have had a problem.......but they didn't, it was in the middle of the street and often in my driveway and my front lawn. I mostly ignored it, until I was physically assaulted by one of them in my front yard.............after that I called the police on them every time I saw them. As far as I know none were arrested, but they were gone in less than 3 weeks. Unfortunately for my former neighbors they were back within a week after I moved.

[Gabz]

There are clinical differences between habituation and addiction............and you know that, you just wanted me to say it, didn't you? :)

[Gabz]

Liberal talk radio and smoking bans, neither one is a market driven choice.

If that wasn't such a spot on comment, I would be giving you a ROFLMAO......

Too true, too true.

I've said it before and I will probably be saying it forever - but I can not understand how people on this forum can blindly support the further erosion of property rights because it makes them more comfortable.

[Gabz]

Hush - I'm heading to the fridge for another beer!!!!!

Just kidding - I'm finishing my last beer and my last cigarette of the evening. And as soon as I get to the last post on this thread, my last post of the evening.

[Gabz]

I don't see your problem with my 2 comments.

How you claim that my second comment is nonsense is ridiculous.

You want me to stick with what you say, how about you sticking with what I say?

You claim ""Hundreds of thousands of deaths related to diseases caused by smoking"" but can you prove the claim? Not the statistics put out by the CDC and the body parts cartel.....positive proof of the """Hundreds of thousands of deaths related to diseases caused by smoking """ Do
you have it? or are you just going to toss around more statistics that have been bought and paid for by the anti-smoker lobby?

I have never claimed that smoking was a healthly habit, and I never will, however I do not and never will buy into the horse-hockey idea that smoking causes nearly every disease known to man.

[Hot Tabasco]

With the examples of socialism in place that you addressed, which actually effect every American financially, effort should be expended into getting rid of those things, rather than the preservation of smoking.

We smokers are not focused on the “preservation of smoking” but rather the defense of personal choice against an ever increasing government monster aided by those such as yourself who would attempt to use your government to create your own idea of a perfect society and a perfect environment defined only by yourselves.

While your own personal crusade happens to be cigarettes, the same tactics used to almost bankrupt the tobacco industry and disperse its finances throughout various government agencies is being used at this moment on the gun industry and also the fast food industry. The next targets which your government is now launching its propaganda induced assaults against are alcohol and gasoline.

While your main concern is tobacco, which you are obviously prejudiced against since you are not a user, I now have to ask you if you are going to maintain the same righteous indignation against the evil alcohol and gasoline producers or are you going to be the first to whine about the astronomical taxes which are going to be imposed on your personal consumption of these two legal products?

Don’t forget my friend, in the land of socialism, what goes around comes around and since I don’t drive a SUV, I’m going to laugh at you all the way home from the pump……

As for your beer, I don't care, I don't drink it!

Like it or not Stu, you know damn well it ain't going to end with tobacco but you're too blind to admit it.......

By the way, I have just posted an excellent essay on the art of propaganda which I originally found here back in 1999. If you have a chance, read it, it is very, very enlightening.........

[eXe]

From what I saw in California (Namely san francisco) the smoking ban was outright ignored. We smoked at a table in a bar/resturant and not a single person said anything, matter of fact lots of others were smoking too.

Many times in restaurants, I saw people smoking in the bathrooms, they always smelled like smoke in there anyway in almost every place I went to.

Glad I now live in Nevada, where Casinos flat out refuse to say no to smoking. It's nice to be asked again "Smoking or non" when I am seated.

Mind you I do not smoke a lot, but I do like a smoke after a good meal.

[Stu Cohen]

There are clinical differences between habituation and addiction............and you know that, you just wanted me to say it, didn't you? :)

Well, when we say someone has a drug habit, and we say someone has a drug addiction - it's *generally* considered one and the same since both "addiction" and "habit" involve the chronic, repeated ingestion of a particular substance.

But, I will admit that you are correct in that someone can technically have a habit to an addictive substance, without actually being addicted to it. It all depends on how frequent the substance is used, and in what quantity. "Clinically" addiction is officially diagnosed if withdrawal symptons present in the absense of the substance.

Most WOD'ers and people in the "drug treatement" industry consider addiction and habituation one and the same.

Personally, I don't care. Addiction, Recreation, Habit ... who cares? It's none of anyone's business. I think people should be able to eat, smoke, and drink whatever they want (not wherever they want - I don't want people having sex in public parks either) - but on their own property, whatever they wish.

[Madame Dufarge]

The art of demonization or:

The Delphi Technique

[eXe]

"Anti-smokers claim that ALL deaths of smokers are because they were smokers"

Gabz you hit the nail on the head, I could walk out in front of a bus tomorrow and my Dr would state proudly that "The cause of death was from smoking, he was thinking of having a ciggatette and not paying attention to the bus"

:)

[HitmanLV]

They could have raised the prices, and that could account for the 9% increase in revenues.