[RedBloodedAmerican]

I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke. If so many people are saying that second hand smoke has no effect, then why don't they call (for example) the oncology department at OHSU and ask them, or call any oncology dept that specializes in lung cancer?

I know my reply may not be the popular one, but this has been my experience.

[Rodney King]

I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke

What do you mean that you disagree with the article? Does the fact that you know someone who died of lung cancer mean that this study in Helena is valid (or even exists)? Does that fact that you know someone who died of lung cancer link second hand smoke to heart disease?

[CSM]

"I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke."

First off, I am sorry for your loss.

Now, how do you know the cause was from SHS? Just because some doctor says it was so? Do you beleive a doctor when he/she says you should remove your guns from you house if you have children? Did your family member ever cook, ever been around anyone cooking, ever BBQ, ever stand next to a car with the engine running, ever heat their homes, ever sit next to a fire place, and on and on and on?

The air we breath is filled with toxins, any one or a combination of may cause lung cancer. Of course, you would have to predisposed to getting cancer.

[Sacajaweau]

People that smoke are jusat as likely to die as people that don't.

One uncle died from liver problems. One died from a stroke after a fall. One died from leukemia. One died from a bleeding ulcer. They all smoked and these are the old Camel smokers. But basically, they ALL died from old age because they were 78 and up!!

[Rodney King]

If so many people are saying that second hand smoke has no effect, then why don't they call (for example) the oncology department at OHSU and ask them, or call any oncology dept that specializes in lung cancer?

I am no saying that second hand smoke is not harmful. I hate the stuff. But in answer to your question, one cannot just call the oncology department at a hospital because that would not be a valid way to study the problem. The oncology department at the hospital only sees sick people. Their sample is biased. They don't see the millions and millions of people who have had no ill effects. To simply call the people who only see sick people would be the same as doing a poll on whether or not welfare is worthwhile and only polling welfare recipients.

[metesky]

Post a scan of the death certificate that explicitly states, Cause of Death: Second Hand Smoke.

[Old Professer]

I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke.

The cause was cancer, period.

This whole notion that cancer is caused by environmental factors is very thin science except in the case of radiation poisoning and massive doses of strong carcinogens such as that observable in laboratory animals.

Most of the rest is due to advancing age, hormonal changes and predisposition.

[boop]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but how was it proven that your family member died from SHS? I am a physician interested in this, and I have not heard of a cause of death as "second hand smoke".

[Legerdemain]

I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke. If so many people are saying that second hand smoke has no effect, then why don't they call (for example) the oncology department at OHSU and ask them, or call any oncology dept that specializes in lung cancer?

sorry to be crass but....Prove it!

[Max McGarrity]

I would disagree with the article. I guess mainly from the fact I had a family member die at OHSU of cancer and the cause was second hand smoke. If so many people are saying that second hand smoke has no effect, then why don't they call (for example) the oncology department at OHSU and ask them, or call any oncology dept that specializes in lung cancer? I know my reply may not be the popular one, but this has been my experience.

Thousands of nonsmokers who were never exposed to environmental tobacco smoke die of lung cancer every year--that's a fact. Why are you so sure it was the "cause" of your "family member's" death? Is there cancer in your genetic code? Was that person exposed to radon? Air pollution? Diesel fumes? I'm not saying there can never be any effect on anyone from environmental tobacco smoke, but I am saying it gets the blame whether it's involved or not, and it's being used to engineer society and manipulate behavior. That's not a good thing in an allegedly free country, no matter how noble the goal.