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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Col. Simons and the Son Tay Raid (11/20-21/1970) - Sep. 3rd, 2003
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Posted on 09/03/2003 5:34:51 AM PDT by tmprincesa



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The Son Tay Raid


By the spring of 1970, there were more than 450 known American POWs in North Vietnam and another 970 American servicemen who were missing in action. Some of the POWs had been imprisoned over 2,000 days, longer than any serviceman had ever spent in captivity in any war in America's history. Furthermore, the reports of horrid conditions, brutality, torture and even death were being told in intelligence reports.


A low-level aerial photograph of Son Tay POW camp taken by a "Buffalo Hunter" reconnaisance drone in 1968, just after the first Americans were moved to the compound.


In May of 1970, reconnaissance photographs revealed the existence of two prison camps west of Hanoi. At Son Tay, 23 miles from Hanoi, one photograph identified a large "K" - a code for "come get us" - drawn in the dirt. At the other camp Ap Lo, about 30 miles west of North Vietnam's capital, another photo showed the letters SAR (Search and Rescue), apparently spelled out by the prisoner's laundry, and an arrow with the number 8, indicating the distance the men had to travel to the fields they worked in.

Reconnaissance photos taken by SR-71 "Blackbirds" revealed that Son Tay "was active". The camp itself was in the open and surrounded by rice paddies. In close proximity was the 12th North Vietnamese Army (NVA) Regiment totaling approximately 12,000 troops. Also nearby was an artillery school, a supply depot, and an air defense installation.

Five hundred yards south was another compound called the "secondary school", which was an administration center housing 45 guards.To make matters more difficult, Phuc Yen Air Base was only 20 miles northeast of Son Tay.


Lockheed's SR-71 reconnaisance aircraft took most of the Son Tay target photos from above 80,000 feet while streaking over North Vietnam at more than three times the speed of sound.


It was determined that Son Tay was being enlarged because of the increased activity at the camp. It was evident that the raid would have to be executed swiftly. If not, the Communists could have planes in the air and a reactionary force at the camp within minutes.

Son Tay itself was small and was situated amid 40-foot trees to obstruct the view. Only one power and telephone line entered it. The POWs were kept in four large buildings in the main compound. Three observation towers and a 7-foot wall encompassed the camp. Because of its diminutive size, only one chopper could land within the walls. The remainder would have to touch down outside the compound.Another problem the planning group had to consider was the weather. The heavy monsoon downpours prohibited the raid until late fall. Finally, November was selected because the moon would be high enough over the horizon for good visibility, but low enough to obscure the enemy's vision.

The National Security Agency (NSA) tracked the NVA air defense systems and artillery units nearby. Also, in addition to the "Blackbirds", unmanned Buffalo Hunter "Drones" flew over the camp as well, although they had to cease flying because many feared that the NVA would spot them. In July, an SR-71 photo recon mission depicted "less active than usual" activity in the camp. On Oct. 3, Son Tay showed very little signs of life. However, flights over Dong Hoi, 15 miles to the east of Son Tay, were picking up increased activity. The planners were scratching their heads. Had the POWs been moved? Had the NVA picked up signs that a raid was imminent?



Brigadier General Donald D. Blackburn, who had trained Filipino guerrillas in World War II, suggested a small group of Special Forces volunteers rescue the prisoners of war. He chose Colonel Arthur D. "Bull" Simons to lead the group.

Colonel Simons went to Fort Bragg, home of the Army Special Forces and asked for volunteers. He wanted 100 men possessing certain identified skills and preferably having had recent combat experience in Southeast Asia. Approximately 500 men responded. Each was interviewed by Simons, and Sergeant Major Pylant. From that group 100 dedicated volunteers were selected. All the required skills were covered. All were in top physical condition. Although a force of 100 men was selected, Simon's believed that the number might be excessive. However as some degree of redundancy and a reservoir of spares were deemed necessary, it was decided that they would train the 100.

The ground component commander selected was Lieutenant Colonel "Bud" Sydnor from Fort Benning, Georgia. Sydnor had an impeccable reputation as a combat leader. Additionally selected to be a member of the task force from Fort Benning was another superb combat leader, Captain Dick Meadow. Meadows would later lead the team that made the risky landing inside the prison compound.


Buffalo Hunter
Name given to U.S. reconnaissance drones flown over North Vietnam during the 1960s and early 1970s to collect tactical intelligence and strategic intelligence. These unmanned aircraft were launched from airborne DC-130 Hercules cargo aircraft that remained over friendly territory; after their photo flight,the drones flew back to a location where they could be landed and have their film recovered; drones were reusable.


Since the compound was more than 20 miles west of Hanoi, planners of the operation believed Son Tay was isolated enough to enable a small group to land, release prisoners and withdraw. In addition to a table model of the Son Tay prisoner of war camp, code named "Barbara", A full-scale replica of the compound was constructed at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, where a select group of Special Forces soldiers trained at night. The mock compound was dismantled during the day to elude detection by Soviet satellites. Despite security measures, time was running out. Evidence, although inconclusive, showed that perhaps Son Tay was being emptied.

On November 18, 1970, the Son Tay raiders moved to Takhli, Thailand, a CIA operated secure compound. It was here that final preparations were made. The CIA compound at Takhli became a beehive of activity. Weapons and other equipment checks were carefully conducted. Ammunition was issued. Simons, Sydnor and Meadows made the final selection of the force numbers. Of the original 100 SF members of the force, 56 were selected for the mission. This was unwelcome news for the 44 trained and ready, but not selected. It was known from the beginning that the size of the force would be limited to only the number considered essential for the task.


Brigadier General Donald D. Blackburn


Only Simons and three others knew what the mission was to be. Five hours before takeoff November 20, Simons told his 56 men: "We are going to rescue 70 American prisoners of war, maybe more, from a camp called Son Tay. This is something American prisoners have a right to expect from their fellow soldiers. The target is 23 miles west of Hanoi."

A few men let out low whistles. Then, spontaneously, they stood up and began applauding. Simons had one other thing to say:

"You are to let nothing, nothing interfere with the operation. Our mission is to rescue prisoners, not take prisoners. And if we walk into a trap, if it turns out that they know we're coming, don't dream about walking out of North Vietnam-unless you've got wings on your feet. We'll be 100 miles from Laos; it's the wrong part of the world for a big retrograde movement. If there's been a leak, we'll know it as soon as the second or third chopper sets down; that's when they'll cream us. if it happens, I want to keep this force together. we will back up to the Song Con River and, by Christ, let them come across that God damn open ground. we'll make them pay for every foot across the sonofabitch."


"Barbara" code name of a model of the Son Tay compound built by the Central Intelligence Agency and used in the training of the Son Tay assault force. "Barbara" is now on display at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Museum at Fort Bragg, NC.


Later in their barracks at Udorn Royal Thai Air Force Base Simons' men stowed their personal effects - family photos, letters, money, anything that should be returned to their next of kin. The raiders were then transported in closed vans to the base's biggest hangar. Inside the hanger, a four engine C-130 waited to take them on board. The raiders made a final weapon and equipment check that lasted one hour and 45 minutes.

The plan was not unduly complicated. Using in-flight refueling, the six helicopters would fly from Thailand, across Laos and into North Vietnam. While various diversions were taking place locally and across North Vietnam, the task force would close on the camp under cover of darkness. The single HH-3H "Banana 1" with a small assault force, would be crashed-landed inside the prison compound, while two HH-53s "Apple 1 and Apple 2" would disgorge the bulk of the assault force outside. The wall would be breached and the prison buildings stormed. Any North Vietnamese troops found inside would be killed and the POWs would be taken outside and flown home in the HH-53s.

On Nov. 21, 1970, at approximately 11:18 p.m., the Son Tay raiders, accompanied by C-130Es called Combat Talons, departed Udorn, Thailand, for the final phase of their mission. At the same time, diversionary attacks were being launched all over the country. The U.S. Navy began a huge carrier strike against North Vietnam's port city of Haiphong. Ten Air Force F-4 Phantoms were flying MIG combat air patrol to screen the force from enemy fighters, while an F-105 Wild Weasel decoy force launched a raid on enemy surface-to-air missile sites. Five A-1 Skyraiders with the call sign "Peach One to Five", arrived on station to suppress ground fire around the enemy camp.



As the group neared the prison, the two "Jolly Greens", dubbed "Apple-4" and "Apple-5" hovered at 1,500 feet to act as reserve flareships in the event the C-130s' flares did not ignite.

Suddenly, Major Frederick M. "Marty" Donohue's HH-53 helicopter, call sign "Apple-3", developed trouble. Without warning, a yellow trouble light appeared signaling transmission problems. Donohue calmly informed his co-pilot, Captain Tom Waldron, to "ignore the SOB". In a normal situation, Donohue would have landed. But this was no normal mission. "Apple-3" kept going. As Donohue's chopper "floated" across Son Tay's main compound, the door gunners let loose 4,000 rounds a minute from their mini-guns. The observation tower in the northwest section of the camp erupted into flames. With that, Donohue set down at his "holding point" in a rice paddy just outside the prison.

As Major Herb Kalen tried to negotiate a landing inside the compound, the almost lost control of his chopper, call sign "Banana-1", that was carrying the assault group code-named "Blueboy".

The 40-foot trees that surrounded Son Tay were, in actuality, much larger. "One tree", a pilot remembered, "must have been 150 feet tall ... we tore into it like a big lawn mower. There was a tremendous vibration ... and we were down."



Luckily, only one person was injured; a crew chief suffered a broken ankle. Regaining his composure, Special Forces Captain Richard Meadows scurried from the downed aircraft and said in a calm voice through his bullhorn: "We're Americans. Keep your heads down. We're Americans. Get on the floor. We'll be in your cells in a minute." No one answered back, though. The raiders sprung into action immediately. Automatic weapons ripped into the guards. Other NVA, attempting to flee, were cut down as they tried to make their way through the east wall. Fourteen men entered the prison to rescue the POWs. However, to their disappointment, none were found.

As the raiders were neutralizing the compound, Lieutenant Colonel John Allison's helicopter, call sign "Apple-2", with the "Redwine" group aboard, was heading toward Son Tay's south wall. As his door gunners fired their mini-guns on the guard towers, Allison wondered where "Apple-1" was. Code-named "Greenleaf", it was carrying "Bull" Simons. Allison put his HH-3 inside the compound and the Special Forces personnel streamed down the rear ramp. Wasting no time, they blew the utility pole and set up a roadblock about 100 yards from the landing zone (LZ). A heated firefight ensued. Guards were "scurrying like mice" in an attempt to fire on the raiders. In the end, almost 50 NVA guards were killed at Son Tay.

"Apple-1", piloted by Lieutenant Colonel Warner A. Britton, was having troubles of its own. The chopper had veered off the mark and was 450 meters south of the prison and had erroneously landed at the "secondary school." Simons knew it wasn't Son Tay. The structures and terrain were different and, to everyone's horror, it was no "secondary school" - it was a barracks filled with enemy soldiers - 100 of whom were killed in five minutes.


Three of the Son Tay Raiders in full battle gear. (From Left to Right) SFC Donald D. Blackard, SFC Gregory T. McGuire, and SFC Freddie D. Doss


As the chopper left, the raiders opened up with a barrage of automatic weapons. Captain Udo Walther cut down four enemy soldiers and went from bay to bay riddling their rooms with his CAR-15. Realizing their error, the group radioed "Apple-1" to return and pick up the raiders from their dilemma.

Simons, meanwhile, jumped into a trench to await the return of Britton when an NVA leaped into the hole next to him. Terrified, and wearing only his underwear, the Vietnamese froze. Simons pumped six shells from his .357 Magnum handgun into the trooper's chest, killing him instantly.

Britton's chopper quickly returned when he received the radio transmission that Simon's group was in the wrong area. He flew back to Son Tay and deposited the remaining raiders there. Things were beginning to wind down. There was little resistance from the remaining guards.

Meadows radioed to Lieutenant Colonel Elliot P. "Bud" Sydnor, the head of the "Redwine" group on the raid, "Negative items". There were no POWs. The raid was over. Total time elapsed was 27 minutes.



What went wrong? Where were the POWs? It would be later learned that the POWs had been relocated to Dong Hoi, on July 14. Their move was not due to North Vietnam learning of the planned rescue attempt but because of an act of nature. The POWs were moved because the well in the compound had dried up and the nearby Song Con River, where Son Tay was located, had begun to overflow its banks. This flooding problem, not a security leak, resulted in the prisoners being transported to Dong Hoi to a new prison nicknamed "Camp Faith". Murphy's Law - "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong" - had struck again.

Was the raid then a failure? Despite the intelligence failure, the raid was a tactical success. The assault force got to the camp and took their objective. It's true no POWs were rescued, but no friendly lives were lost in the attempt. Furthermore, and more importantly, the raid sent a clear message to the North Vietnam that Americans were outraged at the treatment our POWs were receiving and that we would go to any length to bring our men home. At Dong Hoi, 15 miles to the east of Son Tay, American prisoners woke up to the sound of surface-to-air missiles being launched, the prisoners quickly realized that Son Tay was being raided. Although they knew they had missed their ride home, these prisoners now knew for sure that America cared and that attempts were being made to free them. Morale soared. The North Vietnamese got the message. The raid triggered subtle but important changes in their treatment of American POWs. Within days, all of the POWs in the outlying camps had been moved to Hanoi. Men who had spent years by themselves in a cell found themselves sharing a cell with dozens of others. From their point of view the raid was the best thing that could have happened to them short of their freedom. In the final assessment, the raid may not have been a failure after all.

Political cartoonist R.B. Crockett of the Washington Star said it best, and first, the day after the news of the Son Tay raid broke. At the top of the Star's editorial page was a drawing of a bearded, gaunt POW. His ankle chained to a post outside his hutch. He looks up watching the flight of American Helicopters fade into the distance. Below the cartoon is a three word quote: "Thanks for trying".



Brigadier General Leroy J. Manor, Colonel Simons, SFC Adderly, and TSgt Leroy W. Wright were decorated by President Nixon at the White House on November 25, 1970 for their parts in the rescue attempt. The remainder of the raiders were decorated by Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on December 9, 1970. Click here for a complete list of awardees.

The Son Tay Raid would not be Colonel Simons last attempt to free prisoners in a foreign country. In early 1979 , after his retirement, Colonel Simons was asked by Ross Perot, then Chairman of EDS, to plan and conduct a rescue operation to free two Electronic Data Systems, Inc (EDS) employees who were taken hostage by the Iranian government. In February 1979,Colonel Simons planning efforts proved successful as he organized a mob in Tehran which stormed Gazre prison where the EDS employees were being held hostage. The two Americans, along with 11,000 Iranian prisoners, were freed. Col. Simons and his party fled 450 miles to Turkey, and were later returned to the United States. Noted author, Ken Follet, wrote a best selling novel, "On Wings of Eagles", (Morrow & Company, 1983) about the rescue. The book was later made into an NBC TV mini series.

Colonel Simons died of heart complications three months later.



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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.

Folks, be sure to update your anti-virus software and get the very latest critical updates for your computer.

21 posted on 09/03/2003 8:06:34 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it
Present!
22 posted on 09/03/2003 9:23:45 AM PDT by manna
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To: SAMWolf
Suddenly, Major Frederick M. "Marty" Donohue's HH-53 helicopter, call sign "Apple-3", developed trouble. Without warning, a yellow trouble light appeared signaling transmission problems. Donohue calmly informed his co-pilot, Captain Tom Waldron, to "ignore the SOB".

Didn't something similar happen during the raid on Teheren to free the hostages, but the decision was made to abort?

23 posted on 09/03/2003 12:01:48 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: tmprincesa

24 posted on 09/03/2003 1:34:11 PM PDT by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: colorado tanker; RaceBannon
Something along those lines...equipment malfunctions kept the raid team from using all the birds that were available, I believe.

Race, do you remember? I know SAM and Snippy did a thread on this a little while ago...
25 posted on 09/03/2003 1:42:19 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work)
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To: colorado tanker; RaceBannon
Okay, I found it. It was in the Operation Eagle Foxhole thread of 4/24/03. Good memory!

Less than two hours into the flight, a warning light came on in the cockpit of Bluebird Six. The indicator, called the Blade Inspection Method, or BIM, warned of a possible leak of the pressurized nitrogen that filled the Sea Stallion's hollow rotors. In the H-53 models the Marines were used to flying, the BIM indicator usually meant a crack in one of the massive blades, which had caused rotor failures and several fatal crashes in the past. As a result, Marine H-53 pilots were trained to land quickly after a BIM warning.

The Navy's RH-53s, however, had newer BIM systems that usually did not foretell a blade failure. To that date, no RH-53 had experienced a blade break and the manufacturer had determined that the helicopter could fly safely for up to 79 hours at reduced speed after a BIM alert.

Down to Seven

However, the pilots of Bluebird Six did not know that. Thinking the craft unsafe to fly, the crew abandoned it in the desert and jumped aboard a helicopter that had landed to help.

The mission was down to seven helicopters.

26 posted on 09/03/2003 2:03:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work)
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To: HiJinx
Oops, Operation Eagle Claw.
27 posted on 09/03/2003 2:04:35 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work)
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To: tmprincesa

Wednesday's weird warship, the Italian Navy Duilio class battleships

Displacement. 12071 t.
Lenght. 358.2'
Beam. 64.8'
Draft 27.4'
Speed 15 kts
Complement. 420
Armament. 4 17.7" muzzle loaders, 5 4.7", 16 57mm, 4 14" torpedo tubes

Laid down in 1878 and commissioned in 1882, the Duilio and Dandolo were armed with two pairs of giant 17.7 inch guns. The only other battleships to carry bigger guns were the Japanese Musahi and Yamato in WWII.

They caused quite a stir when they joined the Italian Navy. Nothing at sea in 1882 could resist the sledgehammer blows from the 17.7" muzzle loading (that's right, muzzle loading) rifled guns. However their rate of fire was only one round in 15 minutes. They were the first ships in the world with steel armor, 12.5" maximum thickness. They were subdivided into 83 watertight compartments. The two twin turrets were disposed en echelon, to port and starboard admidship to allow a degree of end on fire as well as to allow all four guns to be trained on either beam.

The Duilio was decomissioned in 1909 and turned into a floating oil tank. The Dandolo was modernized in 1900, with 10" breech loaders replacing the 17.7" muzzle loading monsters. She was decomissioned in 1920 and scrapped in 1923.

28 posted on 09/03/2003 2:11:16 PM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: SAMWolf
The Son Tay leaders cam to Tan Son Nhut AB to brief the MACV and 7thAF commanders. The team had their own jump qualified AF Weather officer. I briefed him on my classified weather satellite site. He would have one also at Udorn.
He took with him our two best forecasters,NCOs of course. They each had more than one tour and th one spoke and taught Vietnamese. Satellite pics were included in the after mission reports.
29 posted on 09/03/2003 2:24:50 PM PDT by larryjohnson (MS meteorology,USAF(Ret))
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To: HiJinx
Thanks for finding the story. I just remembered a feeling that if the pilot had said to hell with the warning light the mission might have had a chance.
30 posted on 09/03/2003 2:47:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: HiJinx; colorado tanker
From my website:

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/hostagerescueattempt
31 posted on 09/03/2003 4:44:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks, Race. I have to say I've been influenced by the side claiming a failure of pilot nerve was the cause of the problem, but I can see from your website other causes really have to be considered including poor staff work (failure to factor in and train for sandstorms), disunified command, failure to rehearse, failure to stick to the original standard of 10 helicopters and Col. Beckwith's inflexibility. A sad chapter in our military history.

What a difference 20 years makes. Our pilots flew in much worse conditions in the Iraq war and due to superior technology and training not only successfully navigated but were fighting and scoring hits.

32 posted on 09/03/2003 5:16:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: colorado tanker
Hindsight is 20/20.

The aircraft that turned back, that pilot was to blame, and many have said so.

The one with the primary hydraulic failure, the pilot wanted to continue, but he was overruled.

The pilot with the BIMS indicator going off, well, only he had a reason to set down, even if they never EVER found a crack in the RH-53 blades, he might have been the first.

So, that means only one aircraft had a valid reason to not go on.

And I am glad I wasnt in that ship to turn back, for I do not know what I would have chosen to do if I was puking all over my flight suit, not knowing when that sandstorm was going to end and knowing that my turning back would probably end the mission in failure when we never got there. It is easy to condemn someone whose shoes you never walked in.
33 posted on 09/03/2003 6:54:22 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: HiJinx; *all
Woo-hoo! Mission accomplished. What an outstanding day!!!!

Now we can relax and head for home tomorrow evening. Thanks Jinxy for holding down the fort while were away and Race, thanks for your help on the information on Operation Eagle.

You guys are great!!

See ya all Friday!
34 posted on 09/03/2003 8:28:28 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Looking forward to it...can't wait!!!

I just can't imagine what kind of special project you've put together that required you to be away...you've really piqued our interest!!
35 posted on 09/03/2003 8:45:08 PM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...to do His work)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; E.G.C.; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; Darksheare; ExSoldier; Pukin Dog; ...

The Raid
The Son Tay Prison Rescue Mission
by Benjamin F. Schemmer

Aircraft and weapons used in the Son Tay Raid.

The AQM-34L (Model 147SC) was the definitive low-altitude photo-reconnaissance variant, and by far the most numerous with several hundred built under USAF "Compass Bin" and "Buffalo Hunter" programs.

Friends Hank and Erika Holzer met Ross Perot at a POW/MIA convention during work on their Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam and Fake Warriors: Identifying, Exposing, and Punishing Those Who Falsify Their Military Service.

I have Jim and Sybil Stockdale, In Love And War, U.S. Naval Institute Press, 1990.

On Free Republic today was posted an article on the chameleon John Kerry's haste to dismiss claims of POWs alive in Vietnam so his cousin could reap real estate profits there.

Kerry [Hanoi Jane in pants] is definitely one who needs to be trod under foot.


36 posted on 09/03/2003 11:49:39 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks much Phil.
37 posted on 09/04/2003 12:58:56 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks Phil for the info.
38 posted on 09/04/2003 3:04:16 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: RaceBannon
It is easy to condemn someone whose shoes you never walked in.

Very true. IMHO it's very important to let commanders on the scene command and not micromanage from some situation room.

The plug does have to be pulled on some missions, but to me, the military has always had a simple, pass-fail grading system, pass being for mission accomplishment (except for Vietnam when McNamara decided what "pass" meant, like "sending signals" or body count or whatever the objective de jour was). The failure of this mission was so galling, to me symbolic of the post-Vietnam and Carter years. Little did I know at the time we were shortly to begin rebuilding under Reagan.

39 posted on 09/04/2003 11:34:20 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: tmprincesa
Is there a list of the Son Tay Raiders somewhere? As I recall, when I was but a young snip of a KAY-det at Fort Knox, KY in ROTC, one of my trainers...a guy named "JOHN RODRIGUEZ" who at the time I met him in 1978, was a Warrant Officer, was said to have been one of the fabled "Raiders," but I can't remember if he was a WO or an SFC at the time of the raid. I do know the man was Special Forces and he had been wounded in the leg. ROTC was "easy duty" for services rendered until he could retire and this good man dang well deserved it!
40 posted on 09/04/2003 4:38:23 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Oderint dum metuant: "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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