Female Controllere Tactical A

Vanity

[higgmeister]

Yes, the actual job title was Telecommunications Control Systems, 307x0 commonly called Tech Control, but it was changed and absorbed into other AFSCs over the years and the most recent transition rolled virtually all telecommunications related AFSCs into eleven cyberspace support specialties (3DXXX).

This was the Squadron patch that I wore overseas. The Squadron does not exist anymore.

[higgmeister]

Hint: the USAF speciality codes are AFSCs not MOSs.

All that Army stuff you referred to most likely had nothing to do with what she did. She was probably a fixed facility tactical controller that only supported the telemetry and telecommunications into the field.

I just thought of a good example: In that scene in the movie Bourne Legacy where the drone pilots are hunting down Aaron, they were bridged up with technical people that tracked the signals to and from the drone. That was a tactical support specialist, or tactical controller.

Also if she had that Job, she had a Top Secret security clearance and would be very reluctant to talk about what she did.

[trebb]

Keesler teaches a LOT of support systems via Cyber and such...I used to develop and teach some...possible she was trained on some of the systems/apps that are used to supply as close to real-time data acquisition and assist the folks she claims to be part of. Could be confusion but more likely she wanted her type assistance to be recognized when the “tales and yarns” were being spoken by all.

[pfflier]

Thanks for your replies. I think you have cleared up the mystery for me.

My time was spent in missile maintenance with the Minuteman III and we did a lot of work with the comm squadrons. They maintained our HF and UHF communications. We did our own MF maintenance but it was mostly slap in a LRU spare and test.

I hope if she comes back, I have learned enough from you to make a valid assessment of her training and skills. I even know now what AFSC to look for on her DD-214, if she find it.

[Svartalfiar]

Hint: the USAF speciality codes are AFSCs not MOSs. All that Army stuff you referred to most likely had nothing to do with what she did. She was probably a fixed facility tactical controller that only supported the telemetry and telecommunications into the field.

Yes, I couldn't remember the AF term for jobs. Most of what I mentioned was AF related, not Army. Although the time remaining in service to go to school definitely applies in the AF as well. Likely more strict, because they're more technical / expensive trainings. But yes, if she was a drone pilot / technician, that is definitely way different / easier / open to females than any kind of forward air control. But I'm pretty sure the original post said she claimed TACP specialist, not just tactical controller, and being in the Jeb she would know the difference.


Also if she had that Job, she had a Top Secret security clearance and would be very reluctant to talk about what she did.

If she had a TS, then that would probably be top of her resume. Already having one is a major selling point to employers that need it. She can still discuss some parts of what she did, it's not a 100% secrecy thing. Also, if she was in such a job, she would know to have copies of her dd214!

[higgmeister]

Agreed.   I have always been a little conceited that I had a TS and worked with NSA gear.   But that was over forty years ago now and all the obsolete equipment we used is on several websites with lines and arrows and eight by ten photographs. Some E4 that just got out of service might be a little paranoid about what she will talk about but the DD form 214 was always something to hold onto.

[Svartalfiar]

Some E4 that just got out of service might be a little paranoid about what she will talk about but the DD form 214 was always something to hold onto.

True, but she should still have more information that the little bit mentioned. And yea, the lack of any documentation, and her hostility to helping get copies of it (cause she 'lost' it all), tells me she's definitely not what she claims.

[linMcHlp]

I looked over a veteran’s DD-214, and it was a tragedy of US military administrative errors.

About 20% of the types of aircraft flown, were mentioned.

About 10% of flight experience was mentioned.

No TS activity mentioned.

Among employers, the DD-214 did not mean much.

But other records kept by a veteran, did carry a lot of weight, including correspondence from General Hap Arnold.

Otherwise, and quite often among the veterans I have known, their stories were very much understated, until on some occasions, in order to make a point to somebody who “knew something” from the New York Times, a few more facts of what really happened / happens, were laid on the table.

In general, veterans I have known, never talked about a DD-214, because it was not important, or they chose to continue to operate in silence, reluctant to reveal much of anything.

Unlike the last 25 years or so, people preferred to not reveal information.

[Chainmail]

Uh - do you really know what the DD-214 is? It's not a record of flight time or where you went or who you knew: it's a record of years, months and days in active service, your service number and last rank and any awards won during that service period.

The DD-214 is essential for applying for VA benefits, such as the GI Bill or a home loan and is considered proof of service to most employers. It does not list any operations you were on or places you travelled.

This young woman should have had her DD-214 in her hands.

[DariusBane]

“Snort!”

[A Navy Vet]

A lot of Veterans tend to lose track where their DD214 is. It may be in some box buried somewhere in her garage. Ask her to present a Honorable Discharge certificate, which most Vets have on a wall or in a handy place. Yes they can be forged, but if she can't produce that either, I doubt she is for real.

I know exactly where my last DD214 is - locked in a filing cabinet with other important papers. My 3 Honorable Discharge certs are framed and on a wall in the garage along with other Navy memorabilia.

[Mark17]

If my memory is correct, ATC training is at Keesler AFB.

It is indeed sir. That’s where I went to ATC school.

[Mark17]

Vietnam was the only place we were called water walkers. 😁

[higgmeister]

I never saw that Snoopy patch until years after I was separated out.    Saigon fell when I was in Basic so there was still quite a lot of Viet Nam influence in tech school.   I was one of the last flights to be issued 1505's.   What was most memorable was that we still had active cable-heads going through Viet Nam and the rumor was that they were used for disinformation.

[Tennessee Nana]

Female USAF veteran here...

Its her responsibility to get a copy of her DD-=214 if she did serve, not yours...

Why would she go to a job fair without it since the applicants are all veterans...thus proof of service would be required...

Most towns and cities have an office for the local Veterans Representative...in a federal building or courthouse etc...they can help her get a copy...

[pfflier]

Update.

Once again thanks to all of you for your response and advice.

Now the rest of the story...She never came back but I heard through our local professional network that she was pinging other local contractors with the same story "couldn't find the DD214". No one took her seriously.

FWIW My DD 214s are near and dear to me. I know where they are and what is on them. Yes, I have three. One for expiration of each term of enlistment and one for the reserves.

[\/\/ayne]

"Agent Orange! That was me!"

[Tennessee Nana]

I tested for Air Controller in the USAF because of my 20/20 vision...why wouldnt a woman have a job like that ??? Civilian women do...

[Tennessee Nana]

Actually though it would be MAC not TAC...

About the DD214 she either has one or shes errr lying...

Women dont cry if theyre asked to produce theirs...

[pfflier]

Not ATC (Air Traffic Controller) like you were applying for. They are open to either gender.

I was referring to a different AFSC, Tactical Air Controller part of special operations. They control air strikes on the receiving end and are frequently deployed with Green Beret or ranger units.