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The FReeper Foxhole Enjoys a Lazy Sunday - The "Battle" of Palmdale, CA 10-16-56 - Oct. 30, 2005
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Posted on 10/29/2005 8:58:13 PM PDT by alfa6



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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THE BATTLE OF PALMDALE,CA 10/16/1947




On the morning of 16 August 1956, Navy personnel at Point Mugu prepared an F6F-5K for its final mission. The aircraft had been painted overall high-visibility red. Red and yellow camera pods were mounted on the wingtips. Radio remote control systems were checked, and the Hellcat took off at 11:34 a.m., climbing out over the Pacific Ocean. As ground controllers attempted to maneuver the drone toward the target area, it became apparent that it was not responding to radio commands. They had a runaway.



Ahead of the unguided drone lay thousands of square miles of ocean into which it could crash. Instead, the old Hellcat made a graceful climbing turn to the southeast, toward the city of Los Angeles. With the threat of a runaway aircraft approaching a major metropolitan area, the Navy called for help.

Five miles north of NAS Point Mugu, two F-89D Scorpion twin-jet interceptors of the 437th Fighter Interceptor Squadron were scrambled from Oxnard Air Force Base. The crews were ordered to shoot down the rogue drone before it could cause any harm. Armed with wingtip-mounted rocket pods and no cannon, the Scorpion was typical of the Cold War approach to countering the "Red Menace." Each pod contained 52 Mighty Mouse 2.75-inch rockets. Salvo-launched, the Mighty Mouse did not have to have precision guidance. Large numbers of rockets would be fired into approaching Soviet bomber formations to overwhelm them with sheer numbers. Today, they would be used against a different kind of red menace.



At Oxnard AFB, 1Lt. Hans Einstein and his radar observer, 1Lt. C. D. Murray, leapt into their sleek F-89D. Simultaneously, 1Lt. Richard Hurliman and 1Lt. Walter Hale climbed into a second aircraft. The interceptors roared south after their target. The hunt was on.

An F-89 Scorpion flies chase for a Snark missle


Einstein and Hurliman caught up with the Hellcat at 30,000 feet, northeast of Los Angeles. It turned southwest, crossing over the city, then headed northwest. As the Hellcat circled lazily over Santa Paula, the interceptor crews waited impatiently. As soon as it passed over an unpopulated area, they would fire their rockets.

Wingtip mounted rocket pod on a F-89


The interceptor crews discussed their options. There were two methods of attack using the fire control system, from a wings level attitude or while in a turn. Since the drone was almost continuously turning, they selected the second mode of attack. In repeated attempts, the rockets failed to fire during these maneuvers. This was later traced to a design fault.

The drone turned northeast, passing Fillmore and Frazier Park. It appeared to be heading toward the sparsely populated western end of the Antelope Valley. Suddenly, it turned southeast toward Los Angeles again. Time seemed to be running out. Einstein and Hurliman decided to abandon the automatic modes, and fire manually. Although the aircraft had been delivered with gun sights, they had been removed a month earlier. After all, why would a pilot need a gun sight to fire unguided rockets with an automatic fire control system?



The interceptors made their first attack run as the Hellcat crossed the mountains near Castaic. Murray and Hale set their intervalometers to "ripple fire" the rockets in three salvos. The first crew lined up their target and fired, missing their target completely. The second interceptor unleashed a salvo that passed just below the drone. Rockets blazed through the sky and then plunged earthward to spark brush fires seven miles north of Castaic. They decimated 150 acres above the old Ridge Route near Bouquet Canyon.

A second salvo from the two jets also missed the drone, raining rockets near the town of Newhall. One bounced across the ground, leaving a string of fires in its wake between the Oak of the Golden Dream Park and the Placerita Canyon oilfield. The fires ignited several oil sumps and burned 100 acres of brush. For a while the blazes raged out of control, threatening the nearby Bermite Powder Company explosives plant. The rockets also ignited a fire in the vicinity of Soledad Canyon, west of Mt. Gleason, burning over 350 acres of heavy brush.



Meanwhile, the errant drone meandered north toward Palmdale. The Scorpion crews readjusted their intervalometers and each fired a final salvo, expending their remaining rockets. Again, the obsolete, unpiloted, unguided, unarmed, propeller-driven drone evaded the state-of-the-art jet interceptors. In all, the jet crews fired 208 rockets without scoring a single hit.

The afternoon calm was shattered as Mighty Mouse rockets fell on downtown Palmdale. Edna Carlson was at home with her six-year-old son William when a chunk of shrapnel burst through her front window, bounced off the ceiling, pierced a wall, and finally came to rest in a pantry cupboard. Another fragment passed through J. R. Hingle's garage and home, nearly hitting Mrs. Lilly Willingham as she sat on the couch. A Leona Valley teenager, Larry Kempton, was driving west on Palmdale Boulevard with his mother in the passenger seat when a rocket exploded on the street in front of him. Fragments blew out his left front tire, and put numerous holes in the radiator, hood, windshield, and even the firewall. Miraculously, no one was injured by any of the falling rockets. Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams later recovered 13 duds in the vicinity of Palmdale. It took 500 firefighters two days to bring the brushfires under control.



Oblivious to the destruction in its wake, the drone passed over the town. Its engine sputtered and died as the fuel supply dwindled. The red Hellcat descended in a loose spiral toward an unpopulated patch of desert eight miles east of Palmdale Airport. Just before impact, the drone sliced through a set of three Southern California Edison power lines along an unpaved section of Avenue P. The camera pod on the airplane's right wingtip dug into the sand and the Hellcat cartwheeled and disintegrated. There was no fire. So ended the epic "Battle" of Palmdale.

Educational Resources

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/northrop/f-89j.htm
(F-89 Scorpion)

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/15628.html
(History News)

http://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k.html
(X-Hunters)




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To: Professional Engineer

Cutie pie!


41 posted on 10/30/2005 10:04:39 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Oh dear, now you have done it. I love it!!!!!

Adorable!! Oh my gosh, she is a darling.


42 posted on 10/30/2005 10:30:00 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Professional Engineer
To me John Adams seems the last man of the Right to hold the Presidential Office.

Henry Adams (John's great-grandson) wrote acutely about the great loss of meaning in modern life, the idea that in the balance more had been lost through Modernity than gained, evincing a sort of sentimental Right-ishness while he himself lived a life of late 19th Century liberalness (in the modern sense of the word).

The Old Republic did not last very long. Pretty dead by Charles River Bridge.

Standard view of the story:
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/70/print

Justice Joseph Story's dissent:
http://courses.missouristate.edu/ftm922f/Documents/Cases/charlesrbridge--storydisnt.htm

Perhaps you might ask if I miss the Old Republic? I do. Does that make me a man of the Right? Like John Adams? Very likely.

43 posted on 10/30/2005 10:46:35 AM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: Iris7

Interesting. I don't recall hearing of this case before.


44 posted on 10/30/2005 12:10:40 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you had your Tchaikovsky fix today?)
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To: Professional Engineer; bentfeather; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Iris7; colorado tanker; PAR35; All

Speaking of beer, thought y'all might enjoy this ad from OZ.

http://www.bigad.com.au/

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


45 posted on 10/30/2005 12:43:33 PM PST by alfa6 (He who hath so hath who he)
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To: alfa6

LOL. Great ad!


46 posted on 10/30/2005 12:48:06 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7
... yet it has never been understood, at least, never in our republic, that the sovereign power can take the private property of A. and give it to B., by the right of 'eminent domain;' or, that it can take it at all, except for public purposes; or, that it can take it for public purposes, without the duty and responsibility of making compensation for the sacrifice of the private property of one, for the good of the whole. These limitations have been held to be fundamental axioms in free governments like ours;

That beautiful Republic of old is most certainly gone.

47 posted on 10/30/2005 12:53:18 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

boy, talk about an interesting situation. Kids look forward to be on own & leaving home. Here the smiling kid has as his superior officer his MOM!


48 posted on 10/30/2005 2:14:14 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your s God is!)
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To: DollyCali

Ironic isn't it. LOL


49 posted on 10/30/2005 6:17:29 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Have you had your Tchaikovsky fix today?)
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To: snippy_about_it; Professional Engineer
In Marbury (1803) Marshall argued that the Supreme Court had the power to determine what was Constitutional or Unconstitutional. The argument is essentially "If the Supreme Court can't have the last say, then who? The Constitution is a law, and whether a law is broken is a matter for the courts."

This one caused even more damage than Charles River Bridge.

Hey, I am a history buff!! Spent a lot of time trying to figure out what happened after the war.

Chief Justice Marshall's opinion in Marbury vs. Madison (1803)
50 posted on 10/30/2005 7:23:17 PM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: alfa6
Good job, alfa6, thanks.


51 posted on 10/30/2005 7:31:09 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: snippy_about_it

I'm detecting something of a trend.


52 posted on 10/30/2005 7:44:36 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: radu; alfa6; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Darksheare; PhilDragoo; Matthew Paul; ...

Do yourself a big favor
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1512058/posts


53 posted on 10/30/2005 8:05:10 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin

Thanks Valin.


54 posted on 10/30/2005 8:06:46 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: Valin

bump


55 posted on 10/30/2005 8:08:22 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Valin

So that what makes donkey motivate :-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


56 posted on 10/30/2005 8:31:22 PM PST by alfa6 (He who hath so hath who he)
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To: Valin; radu; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Darksheare; PhilDragoo; ...
More tributes here

(gcsdistributing)

Good night all, tomorrow is another day

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

57 posted on 10/30/2005 8:40:59 PM PST by alfa6 (He who hath so hath who he)
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To: alfa6

Night alfa, great picture.


58 posted on 10/30/2005 8:48:00 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: alfa6

FLORDIA! I love it. :-)


59 posted on 10/30/2005 8:58:22 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: alfa6

Cool, thanks.

I'm heading out for the eveing.
See you later on.


60 posted on 10/30/2005 9:17:38 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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