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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Breakout From Normandy(July, 1944)-Sep. 27th, 2005
World War II Magazine | November 2003 | George J. Winter Sr.

Posted on 09/26/2005 10:10:04 PM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Breakout From Normandy



In July 1944, panzer commander Fritz Langanke struggled to guide his tank out of the Roncey Pocket and the maelstrom enveloping German forces trapped in it.

Six weeks after the Normandy landings, the British Second Army still struggled to take Caen and the U.S. First Army was mired in the Cotentin Peninsula's dense hedgerow country. The American seizure of St. Lô on July 18, 1944, set the stage for Operation Cobra, which kicked off the breakthrough of the German lines on July 25.



By the evening of July 27, elements of the 3rd Armored Division's Combat Command B were near Camprond in a drive to cut off German units north of the Coutances-St. Lô Road. Farther south, elements of the 2nd Armored Division had reached Notre Dame-de-Cenilly. On July 28th, tanks of the 3rd Armored approached Savigny and Cerisy-la-Salle and elements of the 2nd Armored Division threatened St. Denis-le-Gast and Lengronne. The next day, spearheads of the 3rd Armored had flanked Roncey, which lay to their south, and cut the Coutances-Lengronne Road, while the 2nd Armored advance units entered St. Denis-le-Gast and reached Lengronne. American possession of those forward positions was tenuous at best, given the chaos of battle and the ebb and flow of territory gained and lost. Even though the Germans were now in full retreat, they resisted tenaciously as they withdrew.


SS Untersturmfuhrer Fritz Langanke


Fritz Langanke was one of the German soldiers who fought against the Allies with great determination during the retreat. At the time of the Normandy campaign, the 25-year-old veteran of seven years' service in the SS was an officer cadet in the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich. It was during his efforts to bring his tanks out of the Roncey Pocket that he saw some of the most intense combat of his service in the SS and earned the respect of his senior officers, who would eventually award him the coveted Knight's Cross. Langanke was interviewed for World War II Magazine by George J. Winter Sr.



World War II: Where were you at the start of Operation Cobra?

Langanke: Early on the night of July 28, 1944, I was attached with my platoon of four Panthers of the 2nd Company, SS Panzer Regiment Das Reich, to the reinforced 3rd Battalion of SS Regiment Deutschland, which was part of our division. The American encirclement of the bulk of those German units that had been north of the main American breakout thrust from St. Lô was nearly complete. The Roncey Pocket was closing. Our task force, led by the commander of the 3rd Battalion, Major Helmut Schreiber, was ordered to take the route via Cerisy-la-Salle and Notre Dame-de-Cenilly toward Percy, where a new defense line was to be established. Many of the infantry fragments of divisions that roamed around in that area, as well as stragglers, were to be taken along. This was an absolutely unrealistic order.



WWII: Orders being orders, what did you do?

Langanke: I took the lead, and Schreiber sat on my tank. The lanes and roads were plugged with vehicles of all kinds. Eventually, we got things started. On the east side of Notre Dame-de-Cenilly we could hear the noise of battle. At the end of the night we had reached la Croix-Marie, close to the road that led from Villebaudon via Lengronne to Bréhal. This crossroads was already blocked, and there was some shooting. Schreiber ordered me to clear this junction so we could continue. In front of us vehicles had driven up close and packed the road. All of them were staff or maintenance cars; none were combat units. Most of the drivers and crews had left their vehicles in panic. I drove along the side of the vehicles and called out to make way for my tank. But whether I begged, swore or hollered, only a few drivers reacted. I pushed a car or a bus to the side here and there, and slowly proceeded. Then there were two or three open radio vehicles right in the middle of the road, and I had to drive over them. Being an old radio operator, I tore two or three radio sets out of their fastenings and tossed them on the rear of our hull before we flattened the cars.



WWII: Were you able to clear a route through?

Langanke: We reached the area of the one-sided fight and shortly drove off the American infantry into a field to the left. Back on the road we were hit by a round from an anti-tank gun and were deeply shocked. The driver and radio operator cried, "We are burning, we can't see anything anymore." Here, for the first time in the war, we experienced phosphorus shells. It must have been a towed gun, because I couldn't see any armor. We backed up a couple of meters and crawled into a small side lane. Just around the corner and out of sight we ran our tank up onto a big heap of ammunition boxes and other junk, thereby killing the motor. Several attempts by the driver to start the motor were in vain. We didn't dare let the Panther roll forward down that heap because we would be helpless in sight of the enemy. We had to crank up the motor. I jumped out of my turret and put some boxes together so I could stand on them. I stuck in the crank at such an angle that I could force down its handle with my stomach and push it up with my arms. I did this several times as quickly as possible, and finally the motor turned over. Fear increases your strength considerably; normally you needed two men for this action. We then rushed around the corner and, firing with cannon and machine guns, we eliminated the anti-tank gun. The way was now free, and we returned to the head of our column. All that had taken some time, and under the impression that we couldn't break through the roadblock, Schreiber had decided to turn back, swing to the west and try another route south. I pleaded with him not to do that, pointing out the traffic jams and the fact that, come daylight when aircraft were overhead, there would be no movement at all. He insisted, and I had to obey, of course. At the next corner, we talked to the leader of a small battle group that had already been in contact with the enemy. He was confident he could hold his position. He was too optimistic.



WWII: Was it still dark when you were done with all this?

Langanke: The night was gone by now, and we moved in full daylight. Pretty soon aircraft dotted the sky. First they were busy north and south of us, and we were able to drive another three to four kilometers in the next hour or so, thereby passing St. Martin-de-Cenilly. Then our route was taken care of -- after the first attacks, the road was blocked for good. The planes could then, quite calmly, pick target after target. Since there was no defense, it must have been a picnic for those guys in the air. For us on the ground it was terrible. To make it even worse, artillery started shelling us. Here we were with quite a bit of combat capacity and no chance to use it, just being smashed. Our division lost about two-thirds of its weapons and equipment in the pocket. When all was over in the afternoon, I guess the same number of vehicles as were destroyed could still have moved. But the jam on the road was complete. Just before the first attack on our column, we had reached a point some 200 meters from the Hambye-Roncey Road near la Valtolaine. In front of us a burned-out tractor with a big artillery piece and other vehicles blocked the way. Schreiber jumped off our Panther and tried to find out what was going on in front of us. He ran across the Hambye-Roncey Road, but American troops had established a roadblock at that point, and he couldn't come back. From then on, the rest of the men relied on me.





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To: bentfeather

Tired. :-)

Had to get up early to do some personal work and figured I'd check the Foxhole before I started.


21 posted on 09/27/2005 6:50:53 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned .... Film at 11.)
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To: SAMWolf

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 27:
1601 Louis XIII king of France (1610-43)
1657 Sophia regent of Russia (1682-89)
1722 Samuel Adams revolutionary rabble rouser/(Lt Gov-Mass, 1789-94)
1792 George Cruikshank England, illustrator for Charles Dickens
1817 Hiram R Revels Fayetteville NC, 1st black US senator
1840 Alfred Thayer Mahan US, naval officer (Influence of Sea Power)
1840 Thomas Nast political cartoonist of late 1800s America
1858 Giuseppe Peano Italian mathematician, founder of symbolic logic
1875 Grazia Deledda Italy, novelist (Old Man of the Mtn-Nobel 1926)
1895 George Raft NYC, actor (Each Dawn I Die, Scarface, Some Like It Hot)
1896 George Bender Cleveland, (Rep/Sen-R-Oh)
1896 Sam Ervin (D-Sen-NC), Watergate committee chairman
1905 Ernest Baier Germany, figure skater (Olympic-gold-1936)
1917 Louis Auchincloss Lawrence NY, lawyer/novelist (Watchfires)
1918 Sir Martin Ryle Britain, radio astronomer, astronomer royal 1972-82
1919 Charles H Percy (Sen-R-Ill)
1920 William Conrad Louisville Ky, actor (Bullwinkle Show, Cannon)
1926 Jayne Meadows Wu Chang China, Mrs Steve Allen, actr (Dark Delusion)
1929 Sada Thompson Des Moines Ia, actress (Family, Pursuit of Happiness)
1930 Igor Kipnis Berlin Germany, harpsichordist/professor (Fairfield)
1933 Kathleen Nolan St Louis Mo, actress (Real McCoys, Janie, Broadside)
1934 Barbara Howar Nashville, reporter (Wash Post, Entertainment Tonight)
1934 Claude Jarman Jr Nashville Tn, actor (Rio Grande, Inside Straight)
1934 Dick Schaap sportscaster/author (Joe Namath's co-writer)
1934 Greg Morris Cleveland Ohio, actor (Mission Impossible, Vega$)
1934 Wilford Brimley Salt Lake City Utah, actor (Gus-Our House, Cocoon)
1935 Jerome Shipp US, basketball (Olympic-gold-1964)
1939 Kathy Whitworth golfer (AP Woman Athlete of the Year-1966)
1941 Don Cornelius TV show host (Soul Train)
1943 Randy Bachman Winnipeg, rocker (Bachman-Turner Overdrive-Roll On)
1945 Misha Dichter Shanghai China, pianist (Tchaikowsy 2nd prize-1966)
1947 A Martinez Glendale Calif, actor (Whiz Kids, Cruz-Santa Barbara)
1947 Liz Torres Bronx NY, actress (Phyllis, All in the Family)
1947 Meatloaf aka Marvin Lee Aday, Dallas, rocker (Bat Out of Hell)
1949 Mike Schmidt 3rd baseman & HR hitter (Phillies)
1949 Robb Weller TV host (Entertainment Tonight, Home Show)
1952 Del Russel Pasadena Calif, actor (Richard-Arnie)
1952 Dumitru Prunariu 1st Romanian space traveler (on board Soyuz 40)
1958 Shaun Cassidy LA Calif, actor/singer (Hardy Boys, Breaking Away)
1959 Beth Heiden Madison Wisc, 3000m speed skater (Olympic-bronze-1980)
1963 Caren Metschuck German DR, 100m butterfly swimmer (Olympic-gold-1980)



Deaths which occurred on September 27:
1404 William of Wykeham, chancellor/Bishop of Winchester.
1660 St Vincent de Paul Vincentian Cong founder, dies
1870 Henry TP Comstock Canadian silver prospector, dies at 50
1956 Milburn Apt in X-2 rocket plane reaches 3370 kph, but, dies in crash
1956 Mildred "Babe" Didrickson Zaharias great female athlete, dies
1962 Francisco Brochado da Rocha PM of Brazil (1962), dies at 52
1965 Harry Reser orch leader (Sammy Kaye Show), dies at 69
1972 Rory Storm lead singer of Rory Storm & Hurricane, commits suicide
1979 Jimmy McCullough musician (Wings), dies of a drug overdose
1981 Robert Montgomery actor/dir (Robert Montgomery Presents), dies at 77
1984 John Facenda sportscaster (NFL Action), dies at 72
1985 Lloyd Nolan actor (Dr Chegley-Julia), dies of lung cancer at 83
1988 William V Shannon US ambassador to Ireland (1977-81), dies at 61
1993 James H Doolittle, US air force general (led first raid over Tokyo 1942), dies at 96
1996 Mohammed Najibullah, Pres of Afghanistan Democratic Party (1986-90), executed


Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq
27-Sep-2004 3 | US: 3 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Kenneth L. Sickels Al Anbar Province Non-hostile - unspecified cause
US Sergeant 1st Class Joselito O. Villanueva Balad - Salah ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - sniper
US Specialist Gregory A. Cox Balad (near) - Salah ad Din Non-hostile - vehicle accident




Afghanistan
A GOOD DAY


http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
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http://soldiersangels.org/heroes/index.php


On this day...
0070 Walls of upper city of Jerusalem battered down by Romans
1290 Earthquake in Gulf of Chili China, reportedly kills 100,000 (And where was George Bush?)

1540 Society of Jesus (Jesuits) founded by Ignatius Loyola

1669 The island of Crete in the Mediterranean Sea falls to the Ottoman Turks after a 21-year siege.
1777 Battle of Germantown; Washington defeated by the British
1779 John Adams negotiates Revolutionary War peace terms with Britain
1787 Constitution submitted to the states for ratification
1791 Jews in France are granted French citizenship.
1821 Mexican Empire declares its independence
1821 Revolutionary forces occupy Mexico City as Spanish withdraw
1825 Railroad transportation is born with 1st track in England
1854 Steamship Arctic sank with 300 people aboard
1863 Jo Shelby's calvery in action at Moffat's Station, Arkansas
1864 Battle at Pilot Knob (Ft Davidson), Missouri: 1700 killed/injured
1864 Confederate guerrilla Bloody Bill Anderson and his henchmen, including a teenage Jesse James, massacre 20 unarmed Union soldiers at Centralia, Missouri. The event becomes known as the Centralia Massacre.
1869 After only five weeks in office as sheriff of Ellis County, Kansas, Wild Bill Hickok, found it necessary to kill his second man in the name of preserving peace.
1881 Chicago Cubs beat Troy 10-8 before record small "crowd" of 12
1892 Diamond Match Company bought the patent for book matches
1894 Aqueduct racetrack opens in NY


1905 1st published blues composition goes on sale, WC Handy "Memphis Blues"


1905 Boston's Bill Dinneen no-hits Chic White Sox, 2-0
1910 1st test flight of a twin-engined airplance (France)
1919 Democratic National Committee votes to admit women
1919 Pitcher Bob Shawkey sets then Yank record with 15 strike-outs
1920 Eight Chicago White Sox players are charged with fixing the 1919 World Series. (Black Sox scandal)
1923 Lou Gehrig's 1st homer
1928 US recognizes Nationalist Chinese government
1930 Bobby Jones completes the Grand Slam of Golf
1930 White Sox 1st baseman Bud Clancy didn't handle the ball at all in a 9 inning game vs St Louis Browns
1931 Lou Gehrig completes his 6th straight season, playing in every game
1936 Franco troops conquer Toledo
1937 1st Santa Claus school opens (Albion NY)
1938 Ocean liner Queen Elizabeth launched at Glasgow
1939 Warsaw, Poland, surrenders to Germans after 19 days of resistance
1940 Nazi-Germany, Italy and Japan signed a formal alliance called Tripartite Pact
1940 55 German aircrafts shot down above England
1940 Black leaders protest discrimination in US armed forces
1941 1st WW II liberty ship, freighter Patrick Henry, launched
1942 NY Giants beat Wash Redskins 14-7 without making a 1st down
1942 S.S. Stephen Hopkins, a Liberty Ship with an all-San Francisco crew, engaged the German raider Stier and her tender, Tannenfels. It shelled and brought down the Stier and hit the Tannenfels before it was sunk. Of a crew of 58, only 15 survived. They reached the shore of Brazil after a 31-day voyage in an open lifeboat
1950 Heavyweight champ Ezzard Charles defeats Joe Louis
1953 Bert Bechichar, Baltimore Colts, kicks a 56-yard field goal
1953 Typhoon destroys 1/3 of Nagoya Japan (It's all George Bush's fault)
1954 School integration begins in Wash DC & Baltimore Md public schools
1954 Steve Allen's "Tonight Show" premiers
1956 The U.S. Air Force Bell X-2, the world's fastest and highest-flying plane, crashes, killing the test pilot.
1959 Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev concludes his US visit
1959 Typhoon Vera, hits Japanese island of Honshu, kills nearly 5,000
1961 Sierre Leone becomes the 100th member of the UN
1962 US sells Israel, Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
1963 At 10:59 AM the census clock, records US population at 190,000,000
1964 Warren Commission released, finding Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone (or did he?)
1967 Phillies Jim Bunning ties NL record of 5, 1-0 losses in a year
1968 France vetoes UK entry into common market
1968 Cardinal's super pitcher Bob Gibson's 13th shutout of the year
1970 Ken Boswell sets 2nd baseman record of 85 games without an error
1972 1st game at Nassau Coliseum, Rangers beat Islanders 6-4 (exhibition)
1973 Nolan Ryan strikesout his 383rd batter of the year
1973 Soyuz 12 carries 2 cosmonauts into Earth orbit (2 days)
1977 Phillies clinch 2nd straight NL East Division title
1979 Congress' final approval to create Dept of Education
1982 John Palmer becomes news anchor of the Today Show
1986 Senate joins House of Reps voting for sweeping tax reforms
1987 NFL players' strike
1988 Grand jury evidence shows Tawana Brawley fabricated rape story
1988 Lab tests reportedly show Shroud of Turin not Christ`s burial cloth
1989 Sony purchases Columbia Pictures for $3.4 billion cash
1990 A gunman holds 33 people (killing 1) hostage in Berkley Calif
1990 Deposed emir of Kuwait address the UN General Assembly
1990 Senate Judiciary committee approves Souter's Supreme Court nomination
1990 Tour de France champion Greg LeMond visits White House
1991 "Princesses" premiers on CBS TV
1991 Pres Bush decides to end full-time B-52 bombers alert
1991 1st scheduled NHL exhibition game in St Petersburg Fla, is cancelled due to poor ice conditions (NY Islanders vs Boston Bruins)
1994 "Contract with America" signed by 350 Republican congressional candidates.
1996 In Afghanistan, the Taliban, a band of former seminary students, seized control of Afghanistan from the previous rebel group that'd taken the country back from Moscow's control. Enforced strict Islamic law across the nation
1999 Last game played at Tiger Stadium. Detroit Tigers beat Kansas City Royals, 8-to-2.
2000 99 Syrian intellectuals published a demand for more democracy and freedom of expression
2002 Three U.S. lawmakers, all Democrats, arrive in Baghdad to gauge the possible effects of war on ordinary Iraqi citizens. Rep. "Jihad" Jim McDermott of Washington and fellow House Democrats David "The Dufus" Bonior of Michigan and "Moron" Mike Thompson of California followed a Sept. 14 visit by a delegation led by Rep. Nicky "The Numbskull" Rahall, a West Virginia Democrat
2003 The Algerian army reported that it had killed 150 armed Islamic militants in a two-week operation in the eastern foothills.
2004 Lebanon said Ismail Katib, a local al Qaeda operative captured a week earlier, died “of a heart attack” while in police custody



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

South Belgium : French Day
Taiwan : Moon Festival
World : Ancestor Appreciation Day
Sweden : Lennart name day
US : Gold Star Mother's Day (Last Sunday in September) (Sunday)
US : American Indian Day (4th Friday in September) (1916) (Friday)
Crush a Can Day
Hong Kong : Moon Cake Festival


Religious Observances
Orth-Eth : Exaltation of the Precious & Life-Giving Cross (9/14 OS)
Old Catholic : Feast of SS Cosmas & Damian, martyrs
RC : Memorial of Vincent de Paul, priest, patron of charitable works
Judaism : Sh'mini Atz-8th day of Succoth


Religious History
1540 Through the encyclical "Regimini militantis ecclesiae," Pope Paul III officially approved the Society of Jesus, a body of priests organized by Ignatius of Loyola in 1534 for missionary work. Today, the Jesuits constitute the largest Catholic teaching order in the United States.
1735 Birth of Robert Robinson, English clergyman and author of the hymn, "Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing." He was converted at age 20 under the preaching of revivalist George Whitefield.
1785 The Protestant Episcopal Church in the U.S. was founded on this date, following the American Revolutionary War, when U.S. Anglicans met in Philadelphia to create a denomination independent from and autonomous of the Church of England.
1947 The Church of South India was officially formed by the merger of three denominations: the Anglicans, the Methodists and the South India United Church (a Presbyterian and Congregational union). Historically, it was the first union ever between episcopal and non-episcopal bodies.
1957 The dramatic anthology series "Crossroads" aired for the last time over ABC television. Depicting the work of various clergymen, the series had premiered in October 1955.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Man Takes Citizenship Oath, Wins Lottery

Sep 27, 4:07 AM (ET)


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - A man who immigrated from Kenya to the United States found prosperity beyond his expectations on the day he became a U.S. citizen.
Shortly after Moses Bittok, of West Des Moines, took the oath of citizenship on Friday, he discovered he had a $1.89 million winning ticket from the Iowa Lottery's Hot Lotto game.
"It's almost like you adopted a country and then they netted you $1.8 million," Bittok said Monday as he cashed in his ticket. "It doesn't happen anywhere - I guess only in America."

Bittok said he took the citizenship oath at the federal building in Des Moines Friday then went shopping with his family. They stopped at a gas station to check his lottery ticket from the Sept. 21 drawing.
"For some reason, I'm calm," he said. His wife, Leonida, screamed.

Bittok, 40, an officer at the Iowa Correctional Institute for Women in Mitchellville, said he doesn't know exactly what he will do with his winnings, but a college fund for the couples 4-year-old daughter, Mindy, is top priority.
Bittok chose to receive his winnings in 25 annual payments of about $52,920 after taxes.

He came to the U.S. to attend college in Minnesota, then moved to Iowa to take the job at the women's prison.
He had purchased the winning ticket at a West Des Moines grocery store, where he once worked part time.

Hot Lotto tickets are sold in Iowa, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, South Dakota and West Virginia.



Thought for the day :
"The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella;
But chiefly on the just, because
The unjust steals the just's umbrella."
Sam Ervin


22 posted on 09/27/2005 7:24:35 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it; FreedomPoster; Delta 21; mostly cajun; archy; Gringo1; Matthew James; ...
Any of you guys want to meet at Ft. Knox (Patton Museum) for a little treadhead reunion? I think it would be a great idea. I can scrounge up some nomex suits and I can have an embroiderer make a FR Treadhead patch for us with handles instead of names on the nametapes, and FreeRepublic.com instead of service branch on the uniform.

Let me know if you guys are free to travel in the balance of 2005.

DCBryan1

23 posted on 09/27/2005 7:30:17 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Iris7

Das Reich is infamous for the killings at Oradour-sur-Glane.

Oradour-sur-Glane 10th June 1944
http://www.oradour.info/

8 June 1944 … Das Reich moved off in the early morning and had skirmishes with the Resistance at various locations. The journey was made both tiring and trying by roadblocks of felled trees and various barricades. Later in the day they heard that the Resistance had mounted a full-scale attack on the German garrison in the town of Tulle.

9 June 1944 … Part of Reconnaissance Battalion II under Heinrich Wulf retook the town of Tulle. In a reprisal for the attack itself and the killing and mutilation of numerous German garrison troops, they hung 99 suspected members of the Resistance from lampposts and balconies.

The commander of Der Führer Battalion III, Sturmbannführer Helmut Kämpfe was sent to the town of Guéret in order to relive the garrison there which was reported to be besieged. On his return from the town that evening and whilst travelling alone he was abducted by the Resistance. He was the highest-ranking German officer ever to fall into their hands throughout the war years.

Battalion I under Adolf Diekmann had a most difficult day, encountering numerous clashes with the Resistance and losing some men killed in action on the march.

10 June 1944 … As a result of the abduction of Kämpfe, circumstances combined to send Diekmann to the town of Oradour-sur-Glane, where during the course of the afternoon the entire town was destroyed and 642 inhabitants were killed as a reprisal.


24 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:48 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: SAMWolf
Sam,
This is interesting, but hard for me to read without crying. My father was at Normandy, and when he came home, he had what was then called "Shell Shock". My mother told of the time she and my uncle picked him up at the rail station, and he got into the back seat. They hadn't gone too far when a plane went over-head. Mom said my father went to pieces, got on the floor, and covered his head. They drove him straight to the hospital instead of going home. What those poor men went through.
25 posted on 09/27/2005 9:33:46 AM PDT by Humal
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Happy Treadhead Tuesday, folks.

This guy's a pretty good storyteller. I caught myself a couple of times hoping the poor b$%tard would make it. Must have survived the war, though, to be giving that interview.

26 posted on 09/27/2005 12:31:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Humal

I don't like to see the guys treated as if they were victims, reduced to impotence by the horror of the whole thing. I know something about this stuff.

Experiences like your Dad's are very tiring, extremely emotional, intense. They take great effort. Most people have never remotely experienced real fear, and don't have the slightest idea of what I mean by "real" fear, and how hard it is to think clearly even though you know that clear thought is your only hope. Your self respect is often broken, and takes decades to heal if it ever does.

Your Dad was tired, mostly. In a sort of tired rarely experienced in everyday life except by the person dying of a painful disease, I think, anyway. You get over it. Never completely, your sweet boyish laughter is gone forever. There is a certain holding of distance, a certain hostility, a certain being of the "walking dead". A certain desire not to be bothered by these vapid beings. Some drink to much.

Talking about myself, I guess. I hate whiners.


27 posted on 09/27/2005 1:18:58 PM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father." Last words of His Holiness John Paul II)
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To: Iris7

"You get over it."

He didn't. He committed suicide shortly after that.


28 posted on 09/27/2005 3:15:42 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Iris7
Ouradour-sur Glane was a little ways past "rough'. They put all the women and children in the Church and either dynamited it or set it on fire. The men were shot in a barn. Anyone entering the town on the day of the massacre were allowed in. No one was allowed out. A number of the participants were from Alsace, and claimed to be French after the war. Tried in absentia, the divisional commander, Lammerding, submitted an affidavit using the unique defense that he was hanging 99 Frenchmen in Toul at the time, so he wasn't responsible.Two books on the massacre: "Massacre at Oradour", by Robin Mackness; "War for an Afternoon", by Jens Kruuse.

On a different note, my Pop was in the hills above St. Lo with the 4th Infantry and saw the bombardment of, and breakout through, St. Lo. He still remembered the air attack, in detail, 50 years later.
29 posted on 09/27/2005 3:25:45 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather

Bittygirl discovered jumping on the bed last night. You shoulda seen her smile.


30 posted on 09/27/2005 4:22:52 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (What the heck happened to my pocket protector? It's dead Jim.)
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To: SAMWolf

Hey SAM.


31 posted on 09/27/2005 5:01:32 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: DCBryan1

How 'bout the 3rd weekend in September of 2006?


32 posted on 09/27/2005 5:03:02 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: Professional Engineer

Pictures, PE? We must see this lastest Bittygirl caper. LOL


33 posted on 09/27/2005 5:07:11 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Iris7

I'm not sure you do. Some times it seems like it gets worse. You always feel like you are wide open, you can never relax and you get more and more emotional over things that remind you of it.


34 posted on 09/27/2005 5:12:12 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Hell, I can't plan that far ahead, I am deployable....sigh....


35 posted on 09/27/2005 5:28:22 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; SAMWolf; DCBryan1; All
How 'bout the 3rd weekend in September of 2006?

Sounds wonderful but we were just there, well...it was April of 2004. Actually we were hoping we could get a lot of Foxhole folks up here to Oregon for a big get together and cookout at the Sam and Snippy Foxhole sometime next year.

36 posted on 09/27/2005 6:29:46 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
1936 Franco troops conquer Toledo

What meanies. What'd Ohio ever do to them?

37 posted on 09/27/2005 8:50:58 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (What the heck happened to my pocket protector? It's dead Jim.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Howdy ma'am


38 posted on 09/27/2005 8:54:00 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (See my book, "Percussive Maitenance For Dummies")
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To: Professional Engineer

howdy.


39 posted on 09/27/2005 9:41:51 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Did you know Franco is still dead?


40 posted on 09/27/2005 9:48:48 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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