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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles The Honda Point Disaster (9/8/1923) - September 9th, 2005
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Posted on 09/10/2005 7:55:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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Honda Point Disaster, 8 September 1923



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The Navy's Greatest Navigational Tragedy




The Navy's greatest navigational tragedy took place in September 1923 at an isolated California coastal headland locally known as Honda Point. Officially called Point Pedernales, Honda is a few miles from the northern entrance of the heavily-traveled Santa Barbara Channel. Completely exposed to wind and wave, and often obscured by fog, this rocky shore has claimed many vessels, but never more at one stroke than at about 9 PM on the dark evening of 8 September 1923, when seven nearly new U.S. Navy destroyers and twenty-three lives were lost there.


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Just over twelve hours earlier Destroyer Squadron ELEVEN left San Francisco Bay and formed up for a morning of combat maneuvers. In an important test of engineering efficiency, this was followed by a twenty-knot run south, including a night passage through the Santa Barbara Channel. In late afternoon the fourteen destroyers fell into column formation, led by their flagship, USS Delphy. Poor visibility ensured that squadron commander Captain Edward H. Watson and two other experienced navigators on board Delphy had to work largely by the time-honored, if imprecise, technique of dead reckoning. Soundings could not be taken at twenty knots, but they checked their chartwork against bearings obtained from the radio direction finding (RDF) station at Point Arguello, a few miles south of Honda. At the time they expected to turn into the Channel, the Point Arguello station reported they were still to the northward. However, RDF was still new and not completely trusted, so this information was discounted, and DesRon 11 was ordered to turn eastward, with each ship following Delphy.


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However, the Squadron was actually several miles north, and further east, than Delphy's navigators believed. It was very dark, and almost immediately the ships entered a dense fog. About five minutes after making her turn, Delphy slammed into the Honda shore and stuck fast. A few hundred yards astern, USS S.P. Lee saw the flagship's sudden stop and turned sharply to port, but quickly struck the hidden coast to the north of Delphy. Following her, USS Young had no time to turn before she ripped her hull open on submerged rocks, came to a stop just south of Delphy and rapidly turned over on her starboard side. The next two destroyers in line, Woodbury and Nicholas, turned right and left respectively, but also hit the rocks. Steaming behind them, USS Farragut backed away with relatively minor damage, USS Fuller piled up near Woodbury, USS Percival and Somers both narrowly evaded the catastrophe, but USS Chauncey tried to rescue the men clinging to the capsized Young and herself went aground nearby. The last four destroyers, Kennedy, Paul Hamilton, Stoddert and Thompson successfully turned clear of the coast and were unharmed. In the darkness and fog enveloping the seven stranded ships, several hundred crewmen were suddenly thrown into a battle for survival against crashing waves and a hostile shore.


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For more images related to the September 1923 Honda Point Disaster, see:

Honda Point Disaster -- Surface Views of the Southern Wrecks;

Honda Point Disaster -- Surface Views of the Northern Wrecks;

Honda Point Disaster -- Later Views of the Wrecks.






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Good morning Foxhole folks. No symposium today. I'll be away from the computer all day so we get a short "regular" thread. Have a wonderful Saturday.
1 posted on 09/10/2005 7:55:20 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 09/10/2005 7:56:04 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Have yourself a great day.


3 posted on 09/10/2005 7:56:14 AM PDT by texianyankee
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4 posted on 09/10/2005 7:57:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning ladies. Flag-o-Gram.


5 posted on 09/10/2005 7:58:47 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can control the awesome power of the Ductalator.)
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Good morning, Sam, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.

We're getting ready for OU-Tulsa today at 11:30 AM on Fox Sports Net. May the best team win?

6 posted on 09/10/2005 8:02:54 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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September 10, 2005

For Example

Read:
1 Thessalonians 1

Shepherd the flock of God . . . [by] being examples to the flock. —1 Peter 5:2-3

Bible In One Year: 2 Chronicles 33-36

cover A mother cheetah brought a live gazelle fawn to her 5-month-old cubs and released it. After the cubs made several unsuccessful attacks, the mama cheetah intervened and showed them how to "catch dinner."

I observed a similar technique used by a life insurance salesman. After he told me about the benefits of a particular policy, he shared how much coverage he had for his own family. His words took on new meaning because he demonstrated by his own example how to insure a family adequately.

If we want to teach others the art of knowing God and serving Him, we can't overemphasize the importance and the power of example. That's how Christ and His apostles communicated the same message. Their obedience to God was seen in flesh-and-blood terms that were easily understood.

Leadership by example is contagious. When Paul mentioned the Thessalonians, who had become "followers of us and of the Lord," he said that they also "became examples to all in Macedonia and Achaia" (1 Thessalonians 1:6-7).

Leadership is more than something that automatically goes with an official title like Dad, Mom, Pastor, or Teacher. Those who want to lead and help others must first of all be good examples. —Mart De Haan

All in vain is splendid preaching
And the noble things we say;
All our talk is wasted teaching
If we do not lead the way. —Anon.

You cannot teach what you do not know, nor lead where you do not go.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
Who Qualifies To Be A Church Leader?

7 posted on 09/10/2005 8:04:32 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 10:
1487 Julius III Counter-Reformation pope (1550-55)
1736 Carter Braxton signed Decl of Ind
1810 Albert Gallatin Blanchard Brig General (Confederate Army)
1815 Eleazer Arthur Paine Brig General (Union volunteers)
1832 Randall Lee Gibson Brig General (Confederate Army), died in 1892
1836 Joseph Wheeler Maj Gen/Cavalry Commander, Army of Tennessee
1839 Isaac Kauffman Funk US, publisher (Funk & Wagnalls)
1892 Arthur Compton, physicist, born Wooster, Ohio
1893 Al "Fuzzy" St John Santa Ana Calif, actor (Lash of the West)
1907 Fay Wray Alberta Canada, actress-King Kong's main squeeze
1914 Robert Wise movie director (Day the Earth Stood Still)
1915 Edmond O'Brien NYC, actor (Sam Benedict, Johnny Midnight)
1925 Roy James Brown New Orleans, boxer/soul singer (Good Rockin' Tonight)
1927 Yma Sumac [Emperatriz Chavarri], Ichocan Peru, 5 octave soprano
1929 Arnold Palmer golfer (PGA Golfer of the Year 1960, 1962)
1933 Yevgeny V Khrunov USSR, cosmonaut (Soyuz 5)
1934 Charles Kuralt Wilmington NC, newscaster (On the Road)
1934 Roger Maris Yankee, HR champ (61 in 1961, AL MVP 1960, 1961)
1945 Richard M Mullane Tx, USAF/astro (STS 41-D, STS-27, STS-36)
1948 Margaret Trudeau Vancouver BC, former Canadian 1st lady/loonytoon
1950 Joe Perry Boston, rocker (Aerosmith-Walking the Dog)
1953 Amy Irving Palo Alto, Cal, actress (Yentl, Carrie, Crossing Delancy)
1965 Allison Daughtry actress (Guilding Light)



Deaths which occurred on September 10:
0918 Boudouin II the Bare originator of Flanders territory, dies
1382 Louis I, the Great, King of Hungary/Poland, dies
1419 John the Fearless Burgundy France, warrior, murdered at 48 by supporters of the Dauphine.
1842 Letitia Tyler Pres Tyler's wife, dies at 51
1942 Nachman N "Neddy" Bamberg actor, dies in Auschwitz at 63
1961 Leo Carrillo actor who portrayed Pancho on Cisco Kid, dies at 81
1976 Dalton Trumbo, US writer/director/commie (Johnny Got His Gun), dies at 70
1976 Mordecai Johnson 1st black president of Howard U, dies at 86
1977 Hamida Djandoubi convicted murderer last to, die in the guillotine
1990 Samuel Kanyon Doe "President" of Liberia (1980-90), assassinated
1991 Yves Montand actor (Lets Make Love, Z), dies at 70



Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq
10-Sep-2003 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Staff Sergeant Joseph E. Robsky Jr. Baghdad Non-hostile - ordnance accident

10-Sep-2004 2 | US: 1 | UK: 1 | Other: 0
UK Fusilier Stephen Jones Al Amarah (S of) - Maysan Non-hostile - vehicle accident
US Specialist Edgar P. Daclan Jr. Balad (near) - Salah ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

Afghanistan
A GOOD DAY


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http://soldiersangels.org/heroes/index.php


On this day...
0422 St Celestine I begins his reign as Catholic Pope
1349 Jews who survived a massacre in Constance Germany are burned to death
1547 Battle of Pinkie Cleugh English defeat the Scots. last battle to be fought between English and Scottish royal armies and the last in which the longbow was used tactically en masse.
1608 John Smith elected president of Jamestown colony council, Va
1623 Lumber and furs are the first cargo to leave New Plymouth in North America for England.
1776 George Washington asks for a spy volunteer, Nathan Hale volunteers
1813 Comm Oliver H Perry and 9 ship flotilla defeats the British under Captain Robert H. Barclay in the Battle of Lake Erie.During the battle, Perry left his badly damaged Lawrence and transferred his motto flag, reading, "Don't Give Up the Ship," to Niagara. From there he continued the fight.
"We have met the enemy and they are ours,"
1823 Simon Bolivar named president of Peru
1846 Elias Howe of Spencer, Mass., receives a U.S. patent for his first workable lockstitch sewing machine. Howe, a Massachusetts machinist, developed his sewing machine in 1843-45 and patented it in 1846. Although Howe's machine sewed only short, straight lines, tailors and seamstresses saw it as a threat to their jobs. Unable to market his machine in America, Howe took it to Britain where he sold the rights to an English manufacturer in 1847. Upon his return to the United States, Howe discovered that his patent had been infringed upon by other sewing machine manufacturers, such as Isaac Singer. After a lengthy court battle, Howe's patent was upheld.
1847 1st theater opens in Hawaii
1858 John Holden hits the 1st recorded HR (Bkln vs NY)
1861 Battle at Cheat Mountain, Elkwater West Virginia
1861 Battle of Carnifex Ferry VA 170 casualities. West Virginia remains in the Union
1869 Baptist minister invents the rickshaw in Yokohama, Japan
1882 1st international conference to promote anti-semitism meets in Dresden Germany (Congress for Safeguarding of Non-Jewish Interests)
1894 London taxi driver George ("Mac") Smith is 1st to be fined for drunk driving
1899 2nd quake in 7 days hits Yakutat Bay Alaska
1910 Great Idaho Fire destroys 3 million acres of timber
1912 J. Vedrines becomes the first pilot to break the 100 m.p.h. barrier
1913 Lincoln Highway opens as 1st paved coast-to-coast highway
1914 Six-day 1st Battle of the Marne ends, Paris saved French casualties about 250,000, British 12,733, German unknown
1919 NYC welcomes home Gen John J Pershing & 25,000 WW I soldiers
1922 Largest Polo Grounds crowd Meusel, Ruth & Gehrig consecutive HRs
1924 Leopold & Loeb found guilty of murder
1927 France wins its 1st Davis Cup
1930 Charles E Mitchell, named minister to Liberia
1939 Canada declares war on Germany
1940 Buckingham Palace hit by German bomb
1942 RAF drops 100,000 bombs on Dusseldorf
1944 Lt. Gen. Frederick Browning speaks to Montgomery: "But, sir, I think we might be going a bridge too far."
1945 Vidkun Quisling sentenced to death for collaborating with Nazis
1948 Mildred Gillars(Axis Sally),Nazi radio propagandist during World War II, was indicted for treason in Washington, D.C.
1953 Swanson sells its 1st "TV dinner" (YUM!)
1954 12 second shock kills 1,460 in Orleansville Algeria
1955 "Gunsmoke" premiers on CBS TV
1956 Louisville Ky public schools integrate
1960 NY Yankee Mickey Mantle hits 643' HR over right field roof in Detroit
1960 Running barefoot, Ethiopian Abebe Bikila wins Rome Olympic marathon
1961 Mickey Mantle becomes 7th to hit HR # 400
1962 Rod Laver wins the Grand Slam of tennis
1963 President John F. Kennedy federalizes Alabama's National Guard to prevent Governor George C. Wallace from using guardsmen to stop public-school desegregation.
1963 20 black students entered public schools in Alabama
1964 Palestinian Liberation Army (PLA) forms
1966 Beatles' "Revolver," album goes #1 & stays #1 for 6 weeks
1967 Gibraltar votes 12,138 to 44 to remain British
1969 NY Mets sweep Montreal Expos putting them in 1st place for 1st time
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi is youngest to win an auto race World Championship
1973 Muhammad Ali defeats Ken Norton
1974 Guinea-Bissau gains independence from Portugal
1974 Lou Brock ties (104) & then sets (105) baseball stolen base mark
1974 Teuvo Louhivouri sets cycling distance record of 515.8 mi in 24 hrs
1976 2 airliners collide over Yugoslavia, kills all 176 aboard
1976 5 Croatian terrorists capture a TWA-plane at La Guardia Airport, NY.
1977 Charlene Williams & Gerald Gallego meet at a poker club in Sacramento, California, kill & assault 10 people over a two-year period
1978 4th game of the Boston Massacre; Yanks beat Red Sox 7-4. This ties them for 1st place. Yanks out hit 'em 67-21; score 42-9
1979 3 Puerto Rican nationalists who attempted to kill Truman are freed
1980 Bill Gullickson, sets rookie record of striking out 18
1982 Decca releases Beatle audition "The Complete Silver Beatles" album
1984 Sean O'Keefe (11) is youngest to cycle across US (24 days)
1989 East Germans begin their flight to the west (via Hungary & Czech)
1990 George Bush & Mikhail Gorbachev meet in Helsinki
1990 Iran agrees to resume diplomatic ties with Iraq
1990 1st time in NY Yankee history they are completely swept in a season series, Oakland A's beat them 12 games to 0
1991 Senate Committee begins hearings on Clarence Thomas' nomination
1992 Lucy in Peanuts comics raises her Pyschiatric Help from 5cents to 47 cents
1993 Israel & PLO sign joint recognition statements
1996 Reform Party presidential candidate Ross Perot choose author Pat Choate as his running mate.
1993 "The X-Files" premieres on Fox Television.
1994 President Clinton, Vice President Al Gore and top national security advisers met to discuss intervention in Haiti, but made no final decisions.
1997 The Mars Global Surveyor successfully went into orbit around Mars for its 2 year mapping mission
1998 President Clinton met with members of his Cabinet to apologize, ask forgiveness and promise to improve as a person in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
(Translation: I ain't gonna get caught no more)
2000 Controversial basketball coach Bobby Knight fired by Indiana University
2000 Abu Sayyaf terrorists kidnap 3 men from Pandanan Island off Borneo
2001 In Norway parliamentary elections no party received a majority. The ruling Labor Party had its worst showing in decades. Labor won 24% of the vote, its worst showing since 1924 as voters rejected the high-tax funded social welfare system.
2002 Bill McBride defeats FORMER Attorney General Janet Reno in Florida Democratic primary by some 8,196 votes for a chance to unseat Gov. Jebb Bush. McBride was certified as winner on Sep 17. Polling stations opened late and problems cropped up with new touchscreen voting machines.
2003 Israeli warplanes flattened the home of senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar with a half-ton bomb, wounding him and killing his eldest son and a bodyguard.
2004 California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signs a bill barring necrophilia.
(I have nothing to say)
2004 Yemen reported that its troops had killed Hussein Badr Eddin al-Hawthi (al-Houthi), a rebel cleric whose “Believing Youth” forces have battled the government in a remote northern region for months.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Belize : National Day/St George's Caye Day (1798)
Scotland : Fisherman's Walk Day
Swap Ideas Day
Yugoslav Navy Day.
Kiss a Bald Head Week Ends
US : No News Is Good News Day.
Fall Hat Week (Day 4)
National Rice Month


Religious Observances
RC : Commemoration of St Nicholas of Tolentino, confessor/hermit
RC Pulcheria Aelia, Oostromeins empress/daughter of emperor Arcadius
RC Salvius/Salvy/Sauve, bishop of Albi


Religious History
1224 The Franciscans (founded in 1209 by St. Francis of Assisi) first arrived in England. They were originally called "Grey Friars" because of their gray habits. (The habit worn by modern Franciscans is brown.)
1718 The Collegiate School at New Haven, CT, changed its name to Yale. (Congregationalists, unhappy with an increasing religious liberalism at Harvard, had founded Yale, the third oldest college in America, in 1701.)
1734 English revivalist George Whitefield wrote in a letter: 'Pain, if patiently endured, and sanctified to us, is a great purifier of our corrupted nature.'
1794 Blount College -- the first American nondenominational institution of higher learning -- was established in Knoxville. (It later became the University of Tennessee.)
1819 Birth of Canadian hymnwriter Joseph Scriven. The accidental drowning of his bride-to-be the night before their wedding led to a life of depression; yet he also authored the hymn of comfort, "What a Friend We Have in Jesus."

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


REVEALED AT LAST... THE THINGS WOMEN REALLY THINK ABOUT WHILE HAVING SEX!


By Mark Miller

TOP HUMAN sexuality research team has just revealed the answer to one of man's greatest, age-old quandaries about women -- namely, what women think about while having sex!

The results of the five-year research study, published in the current Journal of Psychological Sexuality, make it clear that while in the midst of the typical act of intercourse, women have quite a lot on their minds.

"This contradicts the popular theory that during sex, women's minds go blank so they can focus totally on giving and receiving pleasure," reveals research study leader Rana Thomas, of the Spaulding Institute. "According to our research, the only time women's minds actually go blank is when they're attempting to watch and understand a sports game."

For the study, women were asked to fill out detailed questionnaires of their thoughts during each sex act. Some enthusiastic participants even filled out the questionnaires during their sex acts. The results -- 97 percent of women think about some or all of the following while making love:

• Whether or not she loves her partner and he loves her.
• If his sexual technique is "pleasing her."
• Her next shopping excursion.
• Brad Pitt.
• Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Chocolate-Chip ice cream.
• "That ceiling could sure use another coating of paint."
• Teleportation of particles using Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen entanglement
• Shoes.
• Whether her partner might think her rear end is too fat.
• Her husband in a nice suit.
• Shoes.

In comparison, a similar research study directed toward men, revealed that 100 percent of all men, during sex, are thinking about:
• Pamela Anderson.
• Angelina Jolie.
• Halle Berry.
• What's for supper?
• Beer.
• Salma Hayek.
• "Oh, yeah, baby, I bet you never had it this good!"
• Friends, neighbors, and relatives they'd like to "bang."
• Beer.
• I hope she doesn't go shopping for more shoes.
• Favorite sports teams.
• Why teleportation of particles using Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen entanglement will never work.
• Winning the state lottery.
• Beer.

Thomas is already at work on related studies, including what gays and lesbians think about during sex, what animals think about during sex, and what space aliens think about during sex.


Thought for the day :
"Thanks to the interstate highway system, it is now possible to travel from coast to coast without seeing anything."
Charles Kuralt


8 posted on 09/10/2005 8:12:55 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Good post snippy. Fit's in perfectly about why we were bashful about night training discussed in yesterday's article about Savo Island.
9 posted on 09/10/2005 8:16:06 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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1934 Roger Maris Yankee, HR champ (61 in 1961, AL MVP 1960, 1961)

Seems like an odd choice for the human resources types to adore.

10 posted on 09/10/2005 8:22:12 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can control the awesome power of the Ductalator.)
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Wow, compared to later battleships, she was tiny.
But she had graceful lines.


11 posted on 09/10/2005 8:27:37 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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GM, all ya'll!

free dixie,sw

12 posted on 09/10/2005 8:28:06 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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Morning!


13 posted on 09/10/2005 8:28:09 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Professional Engineer

snicker


14 posted on 09/10/2005 8:36:59 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Mornin' Snippy.

Hoping "away from the computer" means business is going to be booming.


15 posted on 09/10/2005 8:42:05 AM PDT by Wneighbor (Never underestimate us backwoods folks. And never ever take us for granted!)
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Morning all!


16 posted on 09/10/2005 8:42:47 AM PDT by Wneighbor (Never underestimate us backwoods folks. And never ever take us for granted!)
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Captain Edward H. Watson. I'm thinking his career hit a bit of a snag.
If I'm not mistaken the navy takes a dim view of captains who run their ships into continents.


17 posted on 09/10/2005 9:01:05 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Hi there. Thanks for the post, I hadn't been able to find the "Foxhole". 8) Had we talked before? How do you find this? Search for Foxhole? Still very new. 8)


18 posted on 09/10/2005 9:38:23 AM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Pres.Bush,& the USA!)
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Great pic! I didn't know the Oregon was the first ship through the canal. Cool. My grandfather worked with the Army Corps of Engineers making the Panama Canal so I've always enjoyed history about it.


19 posted on 09/10/2005 9:39:41 AM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Pres.Bush,& the USA!)
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I had never heard about that accident with those destroyers. That's horrible. Unbelievable pictures. As sad as it is, I like being able to read things like that. Thansk. 8)


20 posted on 09/10/2005 9:42:42 AM PDT by Allen H (Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Pres.Bush,& the USA!)
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