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The FReeper Foxhole Presents the Saturday Symposium - Illegal Entry - August 20th, 2005
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Posted on 08/20/2005 9:29:07 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



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Background threads that got me thinking.....

Two threads running, one now locked:

Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight



Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight

And then:

MS-13 in Your Backyard(George Putnam Opines)

Protest Gets Violent At Mexican Consulate (San Diego)

Could this be in our future?

Gaza - Images of Anguish

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1 posted on 08/20/2005 9:29:09 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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Other issues to consider from a blog I didn't link to because he has too many pop-ups and spiders but good points to repeat:

January 11, 2005

Illegal Aliens Threaten New Jersey Hospitals

I have reported in the past about California Emergency Rooms closing due to illegal aliens, now New Jersey hospitals are facing the same fate.

New Jersey Times

New Jersey's escalating population of illegal immigrants is placing an ever-growing burden on the state's hospitals, which expect to lose $200 million this year on care to the underground community. Doctors and administrators around the state are complaining that the cost of treating illegal immigrants has forced them to delay the purchase of life-saving technology or the addition of valuable staff.

And according to the New Jersey Hospital Association (NJHA) in West Windsor, the burden will only increase unless state or federal agencies step in and pay the bills.

How about we enforce our immigration laws and get rid of the illegal aliens rather than banter about who should pay the bill? New laws need to be put in place like Arizona's Proposition 200 requiring staff and government agencies to ask for immigration status or face criminal prosecution and jail time for not doing so. I have no problem with treating injured people, but upon finding they are here illegally they should be deported and not just let go to once again burden our systems in the future when they once again get sick or get injured.

In California, which has far more illegal aliens than New Jersey, the state medical association reports the cost of caring for illegal immigrants has helped force 60 emergency rooms to close during the past decade.

Those closures, in turn, have led to crowding at many of the others. In big cities from Sacramento to San Diego, patients with minor injuries often must wait hours for care.

The situation will likely get worse in the next few years.

The rate of closures is on the rise, according to reports from the California Medical Association, and considering that some 80 percent of the state's emergency rooms report that they now lose money, largely because of the care they give away to illegal immigrants, hundreds more emergency rooms may be at risk.

Now ask yourself where the high cost of healthcare is coming from. For every illegal alien who is receiving treatment at these emergency rooms -- even for minor care like a cold -- they are taking from millions of citizens and those here legally.

As long as we have people in charge like the idiot below these issues will never be resolved and they'll continue bitching without wanting to implement a system that solves their problem.

Federal patient privacy laws forbid New Jersey hospitals from telling authorities about patients who break federal immigration laws.

This suits hospital officials just fine.

...

"The law does require hospitals to notify authorities about every case of wound or burn related to a weapon used in an act of aggression," said Ron Czajkowski, a spokesman for the hospital association.

"But the hospitals in this state are quite firm in their opposition to any law that would require them to report immigration violations.

"Violence is one thing, but immigration is not really a crime. It's a social phenomenon that happens to be illegal. Besides, if people suspected that health-care providers would report them, they would not seek medical care, which would be bad for them and could create a public health menace."
2 posted on 08/20/2005 9:30:56 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Saturday Morning Bump for the Symposium

Busy getting ready for the big day tomorrow

Back Later

Regards

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3 posted on 08/20/2005 9:35:35 AM PDT by alfa6 (Any child of twelve can do it, with fifteen years practice)
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4 posted on 08/20/2005 9:38:18 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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5 posted on 08/20/2005 9:38:57 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning Snippy.


6 posted on 08/20/2005 9:44:38 AM PDT by Aeronaut (2 Chronicles 7:14.)
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Good morning, Foxhole! Happy Saturday to you!


7 posted on 08/20/2005 9:49:40 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Pardon me while I have a strange interlude. " - Captain Jeffrey T. Spaulding)
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To: snippy_about_it
I just addressed this issue on another related thread, but I don't think my comment is going to be received all that well. But somebody had to say it.
8 posted on 08/20/2005 9:58:20 AM PDT by Eastbound
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Good afternoon, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.


9 posted on 08/20/2005 10:02:10 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on August 20:
1778 Bernardo O'Higgins won independence for Chile
1785 Oliver Hazard Perry US Naval hero ("We have met the enemy")
1833 Benjamin Harrison North Bend, Ohio (R) 23rd Pres (1889-1893)
1873 Eliel Saarinen Finland, architect (GM Tech Institute, Mich)
1881 Edgar Albert Guest Detroit Mich, poet/newspaperman
1901 Salvatore Quasimodo Italy, poet/critic/translator (Nobel 1959)
1905 Jack Teagarden, jazz trombonist
1907 Alan Reed NYC, actor (Mr Adams & Eve/voice (Fred Flintstone)
1907 Shirley Booth NYC, actress (Hazel-Hazel, A Touch of Grace)
1908 Alfonso Lopez baseball player (AL Manager of the year 1959)
1920 Istv n Sziv¢s Hungary, water polo player (Olympic-gold-1976)
1931 Don King boxing promoter
1935 Justin Tubb San Antonio Tx, country singer (Grand Ole Opry)
1940 Sam Melville Utah, actor (Mike Danko-Rookies, Roughnecks)
1941 William H Gray III Baton Rouge La, (Rep-D-Pa, 1978- )
1942 Hans-Joachim Klein German FR, 100m swimmer (Olympic-bronze-1964)
1942 Isaac Hayes composer (Shaft)
1944 Graig Nettles 3rd baseman (NY Yankees, SD Padres, Cleve Indians)
1946 Connie Chung TV newscaster (NBC, CBS)
1948 Robert Plant rocker (Led Zeppelin-Stairway to Heaven)
1952 John Hiatt singer/songwriter (Perfectly Good Guitar)
1953 Peter Horton Bellevue Wash, actor (Gary-30 Something)
1955 Jay Acovone Mahopac NY, actor (Det Rado-Hollywood Beat)
1957 Cindy Nicholas Canada, swimmer, swam English Channel 19 times
1957 Jim "Bullseye" Bowen British TV game show host
1961 Linda Mantz NYC, actress (Frankie-Dorothy)
1961 Rick Rael heavy metal rocker
1964 Giuseppe Giannini Rome Italy, soccer player (Rome A Team)
1966 Courtney Gibbs Miss USA (1988)/actress (Baywatch)
1971 Ke Huy Quan Saigon Vietnam, actor (Sam-Together We Stand)



Deaths which occurred on August 20:
1153 Bernard de Clairvaux, French saint, died
1804 Sgt. Charles Floyd only fatality of the Lewis & Clark Expedition (memorial was erected at his gravesite in Sioux City, Iowa.)
1914 Pope Pius X dies
1915 Paul Ehrlich scientist, dies in Hamburg at 61
1961 Vilhjalmur Stefansson Arctic explorer, dies at 82
1980 Otto Frank (91), father of Anne Frank, dies
1982 Ulla Jacobsson Swedish actress, dies in Vienna at 53 of bone cnacer
1985 Harchand Singh Longowai Sikh leader, shot by Sikh extremists
1986 Donn Bennett TV host (The Big Idea), dies at 76
1986 Walter Brooke actor (DA Scanlon-Green Hornet), dies at 71
1991 Lenore Strunsky Gershwin widow of Ira Gershwin, dies at 90
2001 Fred Hoyle (86), astro-physicist, died in Bournemouth, England. He was a proponent of the cosmological theory (1948) which holds that the universe has no beginning and has always existed in a steady state. He coined the term "Big Bang" but never accepted that theory for the origin of the universe


Take A Moment To Remember
GWOT Casualties

Iraq

20-Aug-2003 3 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 1
SP Captain Manuel Martin-Oar Baghdad (U.N. Hdqrs.) Hostile - hostile fire - truck bomb
US Staff Sergeant Bobby C. Franklin Baghdad Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Specialist Kenneth W. Harris Jr. Scania - Qadisiyah Hostile - vehicle accident

20-Aug-2004 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Ryan A. Martin Samarra (near) - Salah ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US 1st Lieutenant Charles L. Wilkins III Samarra (near) - Salah ad Din Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack

Afghanistan
08/20/03 Tapper, David M. Petty Officer 1st Class 32 Navy Navy SEAL Hostile fire Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan Camden County New Jersey

http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White
//////////
Go here and I'll stop nagging.
http://www.taps.org/
(subtle hint SEND MONEY)


On this day...
0573 Gregory of Tours selected as the bishop of Tours
1191 King Richard I (1157-1199), Coeur de Lion (the "Lionheart"), executes 2,700-3,000 Muslim prisoners in Acre (Akko).
1667 "Paradise Lost", John Milton published
1781 George Washington begins to move his troops south to fight Cornwallis
1794 Gen Mad Anthony Wayne routes Indians at Fallen Timbers, Ohio
1852 Steamer "Atlantic" collided with fishing boat, sinks with 250 aboard
1864 8th and last day of battle at Deep Bottom Run, Va., (3900 casualties)
1865 Pres Johnson proclaims an end to "insurrection" in Tx
1866 Pres Andrew Johnson formally declares Civil War over
1895 Start of Sherlock Holmes "Adventure of Norwood Builder" (BG)
1896 Dial telephone patented
1908 Congo Free State becomes the Belgian Congo
1912 Plant Quarantine Act goes into effect
1912 Wash Senator Carl Cushion no-hits Cleve Indians, 2-0 in 6 innings
1913 1st pilot to parachute from an aircraft (Adolphe Pegoud-France)
1914 German forces occupy Brussels, Belgium during WW I
1920 1st US coml radio, 8MK (WWJ), Detroit began daily broadcasting
1920 Allen Woodring wins Oympic 200 m dash wearing borrowed shoes
1920 Preliminary meeting in Akron to form American Pro Football League
1929 1st airship flight around the Earth flying eastward completed
1930 Dumont's 1st TV broadcast for home reception (NYC)
1939 1st black bowling league formed (National Bowling Assoc)
1939 Soviet and German trade agreements signed

1940 British PM Churchill says of the Royal Air Force, "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few"

1940 Leon Trotsky, assassinated in Mexico City by Stalin agents, dies 8/21
1942 Dim-out regulations implemented in SF
1944 "Anna Lucasta," opens on Broadway
1944 Falaise-Argentan pocket (finally) closed
1945 Tommy Brown, Bkln Dodger becomes youngest HR hitter (17)
1947 Turner Caldwell in D-558-I Skystreaks sets aircraft speed record, 640 mph
1948 US expels Soviet Consul General in New York, Jacob Lomakin
1949 78,382 watch the White Sox play the Indians at Cleveland
1949 Hungary (Magyar People's Republic) accepts constitution
1953 Russia publicly acknowledges hydrogen bomb test detonation
1955 1st airplane to exceed 1800 mph-H.A. Hanes, Palmdale Ca
1955 Hundreds killed in anti-French rioting in Morocco & Algeria
1956 Republicans convene at Cow Palace
1957 Chic White Sox Bob Keegan no-hits Wash Senators, 6-0
1957 USAF ballon breaks an altitude record at 102,000' (310,896 m)
1958 Dale Long becomes 1st major league lefty catcher in 52 years
1958 Detroit Tiger Jim Bunning no-hits Boston Red Sox, 3-0
1960 Senegal breaks from the Mali federation; declaring independence
1960 USSR recovers 2 dogs; 1st living organisms to return from space
1961 Phillies set then dubious record of 23 straight losses
1964 President Johnson signs Economic Opportunity Act (totaling nearly $1 billion) (AKA The War On Poverty)
1965 Rolling Stones release "Satisfaction" (their 1st #1 US hit)
1968 650,000 Warsaw Pact troops invade Czechoslovakia
1971 FBI begins covert investigation of journalist Daniel Schorr
1974 Nolan Ryan pitch measured at record 161.6 kph (100.4 mph)
1975 Il-62 crashes south of Damascus, Syria, killing 126
1975 Viking 1 launched toward orbit around Mars, soft landing
1977 NASA launches Voyager 2 towards Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus & Neptune
1978 Gunmen open fire on an Israeli El Al Airline bus in London
1978 Mark Vinchesi of Amherst Mass keeps a frisbee aloft 15.2 seconds
1980 NY Yankee Bob Watson hits Seattle Kingdome speaker, 2nd straight day
1980 Reinhold Messner of Italy is 1st to solo ascent Mt Everest
1980 UN Security Council condemns (14-0, US abstains) Israeli declaration that all of Jersualem is its capital
1985 1st NL pitcher to strike out 200+ in 1st 2 seasons (Dwight Goodin)
1985 Hanspeter Beck of South Australia, finishes a 3,875 mile, 51 day trip from Western Australia to Melbourne on a unicycle
1986 Mail carrier Patrick Sherrill, Edmond Ok, shot 14 fellow workers dead
1986 Phils Don Carmen perfect game bid is broken in the 9th
1988 Yordanka Donkova of Bulgaria sets 100m hurdle woman's record (12.21)
1990 George Steinbrenner steps down as NY Yankee owner
1990 Iraq moves Western hostages to military installations (human shields)
1991 More than 100,000 people rallied outside the Russian Parliament building as protests against the Soviet coup
1993 Conjoined twins Angela and Amy Lakeberg were separated at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia
1995 Algerian government plans presidential elections for Nov. 16, but Muslim terrorist vow to derail the plans. Some 40,000 people have been killed since the government cancelled elections in 1992.
1998 Monica Lewinsky goes before a grand jury for a second round of explicit testimony about her White House trysts with President Clinton.
1998 Pres. Clinton orders cruise missile attacks on Sudan and Afghanistan 13 days after the deadly embassy bombings in East Africa. About 50 missiles were fired at the camp of Osama Bin Laden and some 25 missiles against a suspected chemical plant in Khartoum. The plant in Sudan was suspected of producing the chemical EMPTA, one of the ingredients in VX nerve gas, but also an ingredient in fungicides and anti-microbial agents.
1998 In Sudan the US missile attack destroyed the Sugar Sweet and Candy factory of Mustafa S. Ismaeil and killed a guard there


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Hungary : Constitution Day (1949)
Senegal : Independence Day (1960)
Weird Contest Week (Day 5)
Hawaii : Admission Day (1959)
Mich. : Montrose-Blueberry Festival
Elvis International Tribute Week (Day 6)


Religious Observances
Unification Church : The Day of Total Victory
Ang, RC, Luth : Memorial of St Bernard, abbot at Clairvaux, doctor


Religious History
1553 Protestant reformer John Calvin wrote in a letter: 'Seeing that a Pilot steers the ship in which we sail, who will never allow us to perish even in the midst of shipwrecks, there is no reason why our minds should be overwhelmed with fear and overcome with weariness.'
1745 Birth of Francis Asbury, English Methodist missionary and circuit-riding bishop of the American colonies. During 42 years of labor, Asbury traveled 300,000 miles by horseback, ministering up and down the Eastern seaboard.
1884 Birth of Rudolf Bultmann, German New Testament scholar. He pioneered Form Criticism with his History of the Synoptic Tradition (1921), whereby he sought to identify the devices of Hebrew speech in order to make the central Gospel message meaningful to moderns.
1886 Birth of Paul Tillich, German philosophical theologian. Tillich advocated "myth" as a signpost, participating in the reality to which it points. Evangelicals generally criticize Tillich today for his pantheistic views of God.
1958 A pentecostal sect, formed by Grady R. Kent out of the Church of God of Prophecy, formally adopted as its name "The Church of God of All Nations." The denomination is headquartered today in Cleveland, Tennessee.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Incredible New Study Proves...
GALS WHO GO TOPLESS LIVE LONGER


By Mark Miller

AN EXCITING breakthrough in aging has just been discovered -- women who go topless live longer!

"According to our research, women can add 10, 20, up to 30 years to their lives, depending on how frequently and for what duration of time they uncover their breasts," states Dr. Andrew Mansfield, director of BRIA -- the Breast Research Institute of America. "And the more they display them out in public, the longer they live."

Dr. Mansfield's groundbreaking study, "Aging Dynamics of the Semi-Nude Contemporary Female," appears in the current issue of North American Journal of Clothing-Optional Metrics.

"The results are frankly astounding," says Eleanor Zeitzer, founder of the International Institute of Aging Studies. "And as a result, we've amended our company's dress code to allow female employees to work topless. Almost all of them have taken advantage of this new freedom, and as an additional positive result, absenteeism of male employees is down to zero." High-school student Peter Strokemeir, 17, looks forward to the survey's results motivating more women to go topless. "I spend an average of two hours a day looking through my binoculars and telescope trying to catch women undressing in their apartment windows.

"If more of them would start walking around with their gajoombas on display, I wouldn't have to spend all that time on research."

Obviously in agreement with the study's findings is 109-year-old Jennie McDibble, a lifelong nudist. "I've never covered up my ta-tas," admits McDibble. "That would be like keeping 'em in prison. America's the land of the free -- so why shouldn't my fun bags be free, too!?"

As to why the female life span becomes extended as a result of a woman's going topless, Dr. Mansfield has a theory: "The positive attention topless women get from men is psychologically such a lift that it affects various physical systems within the body positively as well -- not to mention that going topless often leads to sex, which we all know is life-enhancing in many ways."

The survey also revealed advantages to going topless even beyond the benefits of longevity. According to 24-year-old Amy Rantelle, "Since I've started going topless in public more frequently, I've gotten tons of job offers, a great new boyfriend, free restaurant meals, invitations to appear in magazines and on TV -- for great pay, and I've gotten out of five speeding tickets! Plus, it's just plain fun watching people's reactions when they notice my melons on display!" Dr. Mansfield's next study will chart the longevity factors of men who go bottomless. "My wife offered to help with that survey."



Thought for the day :
"To be is to do."
Socrates.
"To do is to be."
Sartre
"Do be do be do."
Sinatra"


10 posted on 08/20/2005 10:02:13 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Back later. I've got some money that dearly needs to be spent..
It's a dirty thankless job, but someone has to do it!


11 posted on 08/20/2005 10:03:44 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Besides, if people suspected that health-care providers would report them, they would not seek medical care, which would be bad for them and could create a public health menace."

If people were checked for medical problems at an immigration processing station, like Ellis Island, before being granted entry into the US, we wouldn't have the medical problems we're seeing today.

But over a million a year sneak in like thieves in-between the Ports of Entry, and only God knows what they're bringing with them.

12 posted on 08/20/2005 10:19:07 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; Indy Pendance
Good morning ladies and gents. Flag-o-Gram.

See FReeper Indy Pendance brag about his Soldier daughter here.

13 posted on 08/20/2005 10:38:21 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: Professional Engineer; Indy Pendance

That is one great thread, PE.


14 posted on 08/20/2005 10:43:00 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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Here's another thread:

Strayhorn says state has responsibility to immigrants

Strayhorn is Carol Keeton Strayhorn (R)Comptroller of Texas. She has thrown her hat in the ring for Governor. She's a republican who won't get my vote.

Immigrants, legal or otherwise, come to Texas to "put a roof over their heads" and Texas has a responsibility to provide them education and health care once they are here, Republican gubernatorial candidate Carole Keeton Strayhorn told a conservative GOP group today.

15 posted on 08/20/2005 11:21:29 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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On a sorta tangentially related note:

I interviewed a gentleman yesterday for yet another position I have. He told me he once turned down a job, even though he was unemployed at the time, because it would have required him to assist a developer to outsource design work to India.

His rating on my metal scale went up quite considerably!


16 posted on 08/20/2005 11:31:53 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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1957 Cindy Nicholas Canada, swimmer, swam English Channel 19 times

Uh, isn't that kinda redundant.

17 posted on 08/20/2005 11:33:51 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: HiJinx

Yes, it is.


18 posted on 08/20/2005 11:37:22 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Maybe she got lost. You know how woman are...never asking for directions.
19 posted on 08/20/2005 12:16:46 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Eastbound

I agree with your post on the linked thread you gave us. Certainly the Mexican government is corrupt and I'm imagine they are getting kickbacks from the drug trade.


20 posted on 08/20/2005 12:46:53 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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