Posted on 07/07/2005 2:19:53 AM PDT by SAMWolf
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Three scientists from the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC) reach some surprising conclusions about "the mystery of the dog tags." ![]() Little did the tourist know that her good Samaritan deed would serve as the catalyst for some of the most in-depth research into dog tags to date. As none of the dog tags that she provided proved to be those of Americans missing in action (MIA) in Southeast Asia, they were turned over to scientists at the CIL to determine whether the tags had actually been worn by Americans who served in Southeast Asia, or whether they were fakes created for sale to unsuspecting tourists. Several years of investigation and analysis followed to determine which of the 1,444 dog tags were real and which were not. The situation was further complicated by numerous stories of rosters of U.S. service members, U.S. dog tag embossing machines and U.S. dog tag blanks left behind when the last troops withdrew in 1975. One of the main reasons for trying to trace dog tags to their origin was the hope that they might lead investigators to American crash and burial sites that had yet to be located. To get to the bottom of what we called the "mystery of the dog tags," we needed to address four basic questions. First, were the dog tags issued by the United States or were they faked by Vietnamese citizens for the purpose of making a few dollars? Second, were there any fake dog tags among the 1,444? Third, if these dog tags were genuine, how did they end up in Vietnamese hands? Finally, would Americans want their dog tags back after 30 years and, if so, how could we know and how would we locate them so many years after the war? For whatever reason, these relics of war had been left behind, and we wanted to know how and why. We undertook this project with no preconceived notions, not knowing what we would find or learn. We would instead let the evidence speak for itself. ![]() One area of confusion concerning the authenticity of dog tags is the difference between dog tags and dog tag rubbings (or as the Vietnamese call them, "paper dog tags"). Some investigators have mistakenly lumped these all into the same category. The difference is that a dog tag is made of metal and, in order to fake it, has to be duplicated using another metal dog tag. To produce a fake dog tag, a fabricator needs not only an original dog tag or a copy of a U.S. duty roster to get the service member's biographical information, but also a stamping machine and a genuine (not hand-made) dog tag blank of the correct weight, material and design. In comparison, a dog tag rubbing is made by transferring the exact information from a real or fake dog tag by holding it against a piece of paper (often the foil from inside a cigarette pack) or carbon paper, and rubbing it with a pencil or pen. In fact, some paper dog tags are handwritten. Vietnamese "bone dealers" (a cottage industry for some unscrupulous citizens in Vietnam) produce paper dog tags and turn them over to U.S. authorities along with a small chip of animal or human bone or tooth in the mistaken belief that they'll receive money or preferential immigration status for their family to the United States. They produce and send in paper dog tags as proof of their sincerity and keep the original dog tags for making future rubbings. The CIL and other government agencies working in the POW/MIA arena receive many paper dog tags each month, and some of the names on them, we've been told, have been seen more than 60 times. Over the years we have seen numerous copies of the same paper dog tag through the CIL -- "Bunk Queer" and "John Mullins," for example -- but we have not seen more than four metal dog tags from the same individual. The point is that paper dog tags are not the same as metal ones and should not be discussed as if they are; such a comparison is apples and oranges. ![]() The first step in our research was to list as many of the 1,444 names as possible (some were damaged or too rusty to read) on the CIL Web site -- now listed as www.jpac.pacom.mil -- so that anyone browsing the Web could check to see if his or her name was listed. The reader could then contact the JPAC Web master by e-mail or telephone and answer a few questions that only the dog tag's original owner or next of kin could know. For example, the veteran might be asked to give the last four digits of his or her Social Security number, or the complete military service number as listed on the dog tag. If the correct information was provided, we mailed the dog tag and a copy of the April 2002 Vietnam article to the veteran, along with a signed letter from the CIL. We return each dog tag to its original owner in the same condition that we received it -- dirty, rusty, bent, scratched, or clean and shiny. We don't want to wash away the dirt, or memories or evidence of what had happened three decades before. Judging from the many Web sites (for example, FoundDogTags.com, topvietnamveterans.org, canamission.com, VietnamDogtags.com, etc.) and coverage in newspapers and national television shows, including the "Oprah Winfrey Show," across the United States in the past few years, reuniting lost dog tags with their owners has gained some attention. Unfortunately, and without any apparent basis in fact, some have labeled such reunions as misguided and the recovered dog tags as imitations manufactured by the Vietnamese. Such allegations have cast a shadow on the authenticity of all dog tags coming from the streets of Vietnam. Our research, by contrast, is showing that there appears to be less deviousness at play than some people might think. For example, we compared duplicate dog tags held at the JPAC with those of Cana Mission and Vietnam Dogtags, and found that the information and their features matched, indicating that they were stamped by the same stamping machines -- rather than one dog tag having been stamped Stateside and the other one in Vietnam. ![]() In November 2001 we posted more than 1,000 names on the CIL Web site. In January 2002 we got our first response, from a veteran named Dan Clipson who now resides in Oklahoma. Clipson served in Phu Bai from 1969 to 1970, and didn't remember losing any dog tags. By asking a few questions, we verified that it was his dog tag and sent it to him the next day. A few weeks later we received a letter from him saying, "Please know that this is one former American soldier who thanks you for giving back to him a piece of his history...." We were elated to be able to help Clipson reclaim a piece of his youth, and then waited for the next query; it arrived two months later. Since then we've received two or three dog tag queries each month. Over the next year we verified and returned more than 20 dog tags to veterans living in Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New York, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia and Germany. Twelve had served in the Army, two in the Navy and seven in the Marines. Two other veterans had died after the war, and we sent their dog tags to surviving family members.
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One unexpected and surprising finding, however, was that 15 of the 1,444 dog tags may belong to Americans killed in action. A check of the mortuary files maintained at JPAC revealed that eight of those 15 individuals were received at the Da Nang and Tan Son Nhut mortuaries missing one or both of their dog tags. For comparison, a random records search of 325 American service members who died in Vietnam and Laos between 1969 and 1971 revealed that 56 percent of them (182 people) were received at the mortuaries without any dog tags, 19 percent (61) had only one dog tag, 23 percent (75) had two, and three individuals had three dog tags. Perhaps a buddy, one of the graves records personnel at the collection point, or even the enemy, removed the dog tags after the soldiers were dead but before they were received at one of the two mortuaries in-country. Regardless, the dog tags for all 15 of the above-mentioned service members ended up on the streets of Hue City more than 30 years after being lost.
![]() The purpose of the project is fourfold. The original and primary goal is to reunite lost dog tags with their owners. The second is to develop criteria for distinguishing genuine dog tags from fakes. The third is to understand the circumstances of when, where, why and how dog tags became separated from their owners by talking to the service members who lost them. The fourth is to trace the path of dog tags from the time they left their American owners until they ended up on the streets of Vietnam. Regardless of the circumstances of loss, each dog tag has a history -- whether it is genuine or fake -- and each carries information that we hope may lead to identification of a missing service member. The ultimate goal of this research, however, is to understand how dog tags can be used to help locate crash sites and unmarked graves in a land of jungles, mountains, rivers and rice fields. These rectangular pieces of metal, worn close to the hearts of service members in battle, carry not only information intended for identification after death, but also, as we're learning, unintentional information about how they were lost, where they were found and the hands that found them. Before we undertook this research, who would ever have thought that a few subtle features of a dog tag, such as being bent, burnt or covered with soil, could carry such a wealth of information about the circumstances surrounding the loss or death of a service member? What we do know is that in some cases dog tags, like silent witnesses, may be the only available source for locating missing service members and, therefore, deserve attention. Although we don't claim to have all of the answers when it comes to dog tags, we're certainly trying and, as a result, are getting a little closer to the truth. So, what may have begun as souvenir collecting for some and an act of good faith and Samaritanism for others may someday help investigators locate, recover and identify some of our MIAs...even if we only find one. |
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On This Day In History
Birthdates which occurred on July 07:
1752 Joseph-Marie Jacquard invented programmable loom
1813 William Scott Ketchum, Bvt Major General (Union Army), died in 1871
1816 Isaac Fitzgerald Shepard, Gen (Union volunteers), died in 1889
1824 Alfred Pleasonton, Major General (Union volunteers), died in 1897 Chocolate Day
1827 James Murrell Shackelford, Brig General (Union volunteers) Chocolate Day
1827 William Montague Browne, Brig General (Confederate Army)
1860 Gustav Mahler Kalischat Bohemia Austria, composer/conductor (Titan)
1887 Marc Chagall Vitebsk Russia, artist (I & The Village)
1899 George Cukor producer/director (Adam's Rib, Philadelphia Story)
1906 Satchel Paige baseball pitcher, never look back
1907 Robert A Heinlein sci-fi author (Stranger in a Strange Land)
1911 Gian Carlo Menotti Italy, composer (Amahl & Night Visitors)
1919 Jon Pertwee, English comic/actor (Dr Who, Worzel Gummidge)
1919 William Kunstler (radical)defense attorney (Chicago 8)
1921 Ezzard Charles world heavyweight boxing champion (1950-51)
1922 Pierre Cardin Paris France, fashion designer (Unisex)
1923 Jean Kerr Scranton Pa, novelist (Please Don't Eat the Daisies)
1927 Carl (Doc) Severinson Arlington Or, bandleader/trumpeter (Tonight)
1927 Charlie Louvin Rainsville Ala, country singer (Louvin Brothers) "See the Big Man Cry"
1928 Vincent Edwards actor (Dr Ben Casey, Death Stalk, Firehouse)
1932 Ted Cassidy, actor (Lurch-Addams Family)
1940 Richard Starkey aka Ringo Starr Beatles' drummer/actor (Magic Christian)
1946 Joe Spano SF Calif, actor (Henry Goldblume-Hill St Blues)
1949 Shelley Duvall Houston Tx, actress (Popeye, Faery Tale Theater)
1959 Jessica Hahn evangelist rape victim/model (playboy)/actress
1968 Chuck Knoblauch, Houston TX, shortstop (NY Yankees, Minn Twins)
1980 Michele Kwan, Torrance Calif, figure skater (Oly-94, Oly-silver-98)
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Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.
Another fascinating presentation. Thanks.
Still have two sets of dog tags. Had a duplicate set made aboard ship when the originals got bent up from abuse using 'em for a screw driver etc.
Matter-of-fact, usually wear one set when I'm out and about at local Support Our Troops rallies.
Whew! Amazing read. I don't know where you find these stories but keep 'em coming.
Good morning, PE.
Very interesting. Was it common to tie dog tags to boots?
USNA class of 1929.
On this day...
It seems chocalate has played a minor role?
Hi miss Feather
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