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The FReeper Foxhole Revisits The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot (19-20 June, 1944) - June 17th, 2005
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| David James
Posted on 06/16/2005 9:31:54 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
Lord,
Keep our Troops forever in Your care
Give them victory over the enemy...
Grant them a safe and swift return...
Bless those who mourn the lost. .
FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer for all those serving their country at this time.
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The FReeper Foxhole Revisits
The Battle of the Philippine Sea 19-20 June 1944
In September 1943 Japanese Imperial Headquarters resolved that in the near future the entire strength of their fleet would be deployed against the US Navy in a great decisive battle, and that in this battle the enemy fleet would be destroyed "in one blow." By the Spring of 1944 Japanese commanders had decided that the decisive encounter was imminent, and on 3 May the order for the operation - "A-Go" - was issued.
The A-Go Plan was based on the assumption that when the great battle came about the American fleet would be carrying out an offensive in the Central Pacific and that the Japanese would therefore have the advantage of numerous island air-bases within range of the scene of battle. The Japanese command knew that their forces would suffer from a considerable inferiority in carrier airpower, and they were therefore depending on their own land-based air-power to redress the balance.
On June 15 1944 the initial US landings in the Marianas took place - on the island of Saipan. The Japanese had been hoping and expecting that the American attack would come in the Carolines or the Palaus, to the south of the Marianas, and closer to the main Japanese sources of fuel. Their land-based aircraft had been disposed accordingly - with relatively weak forces in the Marianas.
Thus the great operation began with a setback for Japanese strategic hopes. Another blow to their expectations was that the threat from American submarines restricted Japanese carriers to their anchorage, so that they were unable to conduct proper flight training in the run-up to the battle.
Lieutenant Vraciu shot down six Japanese aircraft in less than eight minutes. One aircraft was destroyed as it tried to crash into an American destroyer.
A preliminary US carrier strike in the Marianas on June 11 persuaded Admiral Toyoda, C-in-C of the Combined Fleet, that this was where the next landings would take place, and accordingly Japanese forces began to converge on the Marianas for the decisive battle. Their main groupings made rendezvous on June 16 in the western part of the Philippine Sea and completed refuelling on June 17. By the evening of that day Admiral Ozawa, commanding the Japanese forces, had reasonably accurate intelligence of the composition of the US fleet. A few minutes after midnight 17/18 June, Ozawa - in the tradition of the Japanese Navy - issued a final exhortation to all the ships of his fleet : "This operation has an immense bearing on the fate of the Empire. It is hoped that all forces will do their utmost and attain results as magnificent as those achieved in the Battle of Tsushima."
Spruance's Decision
The Japanese forces had been sighted by American submarines as early as June 15. By June 16 Admiral Spruance, commanding the US Forces (the Fifth Fleet), was satisfied that a major sea battle was approaching, and made plans accordingly. By the afternoon of June 18 Task Force 58 (the Fast Carrier Task Force under Admiral Mitscher) was concentrated near Saipan ready to meet the Japanese fleet.
More intelligence of the Japanese fleet's movements, from submarines and radio intercepts, came in during June 18. Shortly before midnight 18/19 June Admiral Nimitz sent Spruance a message from Pacific Fleet Headquarters indicating that the Japanese flagship was approximately 350 miles to the west-south-west of Task Force 58. Shortly afterwards Mitscher sought Spruance's permission to head west during the night to what - as Mitscher and his staff considered - would be an ideal launch position for an all-out dawn air attack on the enemy force.
However, Spruance refused. Throughout the run-up to the battle he had been concerned that the Japanese would try to draw his main fleet away from the landing area using a diversionary force, and would then make an attack around the flank of the US carrier force - an "end run" - hitting the invasion shipping off Saipan. Such methods were a long-standing part of the Japanese Navy's tactical doctrine .
Spruance was intensely conscious that protection of the invasion shipping was his paramount responsibility, and should therefore take precedence over the destruction of the Japanese fleet. Moreover, the Admiral considered, as he was later to observe, that "if we were doing something so important that we were attracting the enemy to us, we could afford to let him come - and take care of him when he arrived." In effect this was to be what happened during the battle.
Mitscher and his staff were aghast at Spruance's decision. Captain Arleigh Burke, the Task Force 38 Chief of Staff, bitterly commented that it "meant that the enemy could attack us at will at dawn the next morning. We could not attack the enemy."
The Fifth Fleet Commander was adversely criticised by many naval officers after the battle and continues to be condemned - by some writers - to the present day. A still common allegation is that Spruance decided as he did because he was not an aviator, and therefore must have had an inadequate understanding of the principles of carrier warfare.
Initial Actions of 19 June
At dawn - 0430 - on 19 June Task Force 58 was steaming E by N about 150 miles to the WSW of Saipan and about 100 miles to the NW of Guam.
This huge fleet - with nearly 99,000 personnel on board - was disposed in five groups - the four carrier groups and Admiral Lee's Battle Line.
First came the three stronger carrier groups in a north-south line abreast, with the centres of the groups 12-15 miles apart. Due west of the middle group of this line steamed Task Group 58.7 - Lee's Battle Line - with the weakest carrier group - Harrill's Task Group 58.4 - sailing within visual distance to the north of it.
The carrier groups were each disposed in a circle four miles in diameter (with the carriers in the centre of their respective groups but having plenty of room for safe manoeuvering while under attack), and the Battle Line was arranged in a circle about 6 miles in diameter, with the battleship Indiana as guide at the centre of this circle. The formation covered an area of sea roughly 35 miles by 25 miles.
At 0530 the task force turned north-eastwards, directly into the wind, and began to launch combat air patrol, anti-submarine patrols, and search missions. At 0619 Spruance ordered a change of course to WSW, hoping thereby to place the fleet closer to the as-yet unlocated enemy forces. But the carriers had to turn back into the wind whenever they were launching aircraft, and at 10am Task Force 58 was in almost exactly the same position as it had been at dawn.
The A-Go plan called for about 500 aircraft to be available on the land bases in the Marianas. In fact - partly because of the damage inflicted by the American carrier forces in strikes made between 11 June and 18 June - there were a mere 50 or so, all of them based on the island of Guam.
The first attack of the day came at 0550 when a scouting Zero from Guam attacked the picket destroyers of the Battle Line and was shot down.
The next action took place over Guam when Hellcats from the light carrier Belleau Wood, investigating a radar contact, encountered Japanese aircraft taking off from Orote Field. At 0807 more Japanese aircraft were detected by radar, heading towards Guam. These were reinforcements flying in from other Japanese-held islands. Fighters were vectored out to intercept them and there was continuous fighting over and around Guam for nearly an hour. 35 Japanese aircraft were shot down, but others were still taking off from Orote when the Hellcats received a "Hey Rube!" signal (calling them back over the carriers) from the task force flagship. Task Force 58 had detected large numbers of unidentified aircraft approaching from the west. These were the planes of the first attack wave from Ozawa's carriers, 68 or 69 aircraft in all.
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To: Valin; Iris7
The amazing thing was the number of carriers we had by 1945.Well, they were needed so Harry Calahan could jump ship to ship on a motorcycle.
To: bentfeather
They can turn one's hair grey overnight.It has certainly accelerated!
To: snippy_about_it
Aye, it was. Then the self-doubt, I'm a terrible parent, phase hit.
To: SAMWolf
Bitty Girl's role model?LOL. I've been thinking her indian name can be: Runs With Scissors.
To: Professional Engineer
A man's got to know his limitations.
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posted on
06/17/2005 10:50:27 AM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(Why buy a product that takes 2000 flushes to get rid of?)
To: Professional Engineer
I've been thinking her indian name can be: Runs With Scissors. LOL!
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posted on
06/17/2005 10:51:03 AM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(Why buy a product that takes 2000 flushes to get rid of?)
To: SAMWolf
Thanks! I couldn't find an image.
To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Nice thread. The American insistence on proper training for pilots sure paid off. The Japanese suffered a whole lotta whoopass.
To: Iris7
I share your high regard for Adm. Spruance, Iris. The only thing he didn't seem to do well was PR.
To: Professional Engineer
:-) One never loses his scrounging skills.
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posted on
06/17/2005 11:51:45 AM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(Why buy a product that takes 2000 flushes to get rid of?)
To: Professional Engineer
Awww. Hopefully that phase didn't last long and you realized you were a lucky parent.
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posted on
06/17/2005 11:53:26 AM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: snippy_about_it; Peanut Gallery
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
The contractors are cutting a door into the wall to connect our current and new office space.
Oy, what noise.
To: Professional Engineer
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posted on
06/17/2005 6:02:08 PM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Diver Dave; Neil E. Wright; Iris7; Aeronaut; E.G.C.; alfa6; GailA; ...
Okay, guys, high-resolution smile--everybody say "Lexington".
Admiral Raymond Spruance speaking at the ceremony in which he relieved Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz
(standing behind him) as CINCPAC-CINPOA on November 24th, 1945, on board the USS Menhaden (SS-377)
at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
"Upon completion of these proceedings, Senator Richard "Turban" Durbin shall be fired from number one tube so as to assume his duties
as man without a country on eternal jihad against the nation which gave him birth and now awards him the fish kaddish he would wish."
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posted on
06/17/2005 7:12:40 PM PDT
by
PhilDragoo
(Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: snippy_about_it
I'm almost afraid to ask.
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posted on
06/17/2005 8:50:04 PM PDT
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Valin
(The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
To: Valin
A gas powered hearing aid for PE. :-)
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posted on
06/17/2005 10:01:46 PM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: Professional Engineer
Good job with the scissors. Pleases me to find parents taking the job seriously. Bittygirl was not hurt, precautions are being taken, and most important, "a miss is as good as a mile".
Fall on those things - Brrrr.
God's endless lessons in Duty. HE is the best teacher.
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06/18/2005 12:10:13 AM PDT
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Iris7
("War means fighting, and fighting means killing." - Bedford Forrest)
To: alfa6
Nice job, Alfa. Darn, I knew that. Google reminds me that
Hornetwas lost at the Battle of Santa Cruz, October 26, 1942.
My uncle was on Enterprise during that battle. He said it was the worst he has seen. Must have been ferocious.
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posted on
06/18/2005 12:38:48 AM PDT
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Iris7
("War means fighting, and fighting means killing." - Bedford Forrest)
To: PhilDragoo
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posted on
06/18/2005 5:05:04 AM PDT
by
E.G.C.
To: snippy_about_it
That engine has an awful short stroke.
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