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The FReeper Foxhole Presents the Saturday Symposium - June 11th, 2005
samwolf

Posted on 06/11/2005 6:19:36 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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Should Houston have executed Santa Ana?




THE CAPTURE OF SANTA ANNA

Santa Anna had disappeared during the battle, and next day General Houston ordered a thorough search of the surrounding territory for him. In the afternoon Sergeant J. A. Sylvester spotted a Mexican slipping through the woods toward Vince's Bayou. Sylvester and his comrades caught the fugitive trying to hide in the high grass. He wore a common soldier's apparel round jacket, blue cotton pantaloons, skin cap and soldier's shoes. [With Sylvester in the capture of Santa Anna were Joel W. Robison, Joseph D. Vermillion, Alfred H. Miles and David Cole.] They took the captive to camp, and on the way, Mexican prisoners recognized him and cried, "El Presidente!" Thus his identity was betrayed; it was indeed the dictator from below the Rio Grande. He was brought to General Houston, who lay under the headquarters oak, nursing his wounded foot. The Mexican President pompously announced, "I am General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, and a prisoner of war at your disposition." General Houston, suffering with pain, received him coldly. He sent for young Moses Austin Bryan and Lorenzo de Zavala Jr. to act as interpreters.

Santa Anna cringed with fright as the excited Texas soldiers pressed around him, fearing mob violence. He pleaded for the treatment due a prisoner of war. "You can afford to be generous," he whined; "you have captured the Napoleon of the 'West." "What claim have you to mercy?" Houston retorted, "when you showed none at the Alamo or at Goliad?" They talked for nearly two hours, using Bryan, de Zavala and Almonte as interpreters. In the end Santa Anna agreed to write an order commanding all Mexican troops to evacuate Texas. Later, treaties were signed at Velasco, looking to the adjustment of all differences and the recognition of Texas independence. Thus ended the revolution of 1836, with an eighteen-minute battle which established Texas as a free republic and opened the way for the United States to extend its boundaries to the Rio Grande on the southwest and to the Pacific on the west. Few military engagements in history have been more decisive or of more far-reaching ultimate influence than the battle of San Jacinto.



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1 posted on 06/11/2005 6:19:36 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 06/11/2005 6:20:07 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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3 posted on 06/11/2005 6:20:56 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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Good morning everyone.

4 posted on 06/11/2005 6:24:13 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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((HUGS))Good morning, Snippy. How's it going?

And a very pleasant good morning to everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.

5 posted on 06/11/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it
June 10, 2005

Eyewitness

Read:
1 John 1:1-7

That which we have seen and heard we declare to you. —1 John 1:3

Bible In One Year: Ecclesiastes 1-3

cover "You don't want to interview me for your television program," the man told me. "You need someone who is young and photogenic, and I'm neither." I replied that we indeed wanted him because he had known C. S. Lewis, the noted author and the subject of our documentary. "Sir," I said, "when it comes to telling the story of a person's life, there is no substitute for an eyewitness."

As Christians, we often refer to sharing our faith in Christ as "witnessing" or "giving our testimony." It's an accurate concept taken directly from the Bible. John, a companion and disciple of Jesus, wrote: "We have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us—that which we have seen and heard we declare to you" (1 John 1:2-3).

If you know Jesus as your Savior and have experienced His love, grace, and forgiveness, you can tell someone else about Him. Youth, beauty, and theological training are not required. Reality and enthusiasm are more valuable than a training course in how to share your faith.

When it comes to telling someone the wonderful story of how Jesus Christ can transform a person's life, there is no substitute for a firsthand witness like you. —David McCasland

Let us go forth, as called of God,
Redeemed by Jesus' precious blood,
His love to show, His life to live,
His message speak, His mercy give. —Whittle

Jesus doesn't need lawyers, He needs witnesses.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
How Can I Share My Faith Without An Argument?

6 posted on 06/11/2005 6:50:08 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 6:56:38 AM PDT by Aeronaut (2 Chronicles 7:14.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on June 11:
1572 Ben Jonson England, playwright/poet (Volpone, Alchemist)
1723 J G Palitzsch 1st saw Halley's comet on return, Prolitz
1776 John Constable England, landscape painter (Hay Wain)
1807 James Findlay Schenck, Commander (Union Navy), died in 1882
1808 Charles Henry Poor, Commander (Union Navy), died in 1882
1823 James L Kemper Maj Gen, hero at Battle of Williamsberg
1847 Dame Millicent Garrett Fawcett leader of English women's movement
1864 Richard Strauss Munchen Germany, composer (Till Eulenspiegel)
1867 Charles Fabry found ozone layer in upper atmosphere
1880 Jeannette Rankin 1st woman elected to US Congress (from Montana)
1883 Frank O. King Cashton, Wisc., "Gasoline Alley" cartoonist
1886 David Steinman NYC, bridge designer (Hudson, Triborough)
1895 Nikolai A Bulganin Gorki Russia, premier of USSR (1955-8)
1903 Ernie Nevers NFL fullback (Duluth Eskimos, Chicago Cardinals)
1907 Paul Mellon philanthropist/horse breeder (1964 Gold Baton)
1910 Jacques-Yves Cousteau France, oceanic explorer aboard Calypso
1913 Vince Lombardi NFL coach (Green Bay Packers)
1918 Nelson Mandela civil right activist in South Africa
1925 William Styron Va, novelist (Confess of Nat Turner, Sophie's Choice)
1931 Tab Hunter NYC, actor (Tab Hunter Show)
1935 Gene Wilder Milwaukee, actor (Young Frankenstein, Silver Streak)
1936 Chad Everett South Bend In, actor (Medical Center, Airplane II)
1939 Jackie Stewart Scotland, driver/sports announcer (27 Grand Prix)
1940 Joey Dee Passaic NJ, actor (Hey Let's Twist, 2 Tickets to Paris)
1944 James "Ox" D A Van Hoften Fresno Calif, astronaut (STS 41C, STS 51I)
1945 Adrienne Barbeau wife of John Carpenter/actress (Maude, Swamp Thing)
1949 Frank Beard rocker (ZZ Top-She Got Legs, Fandango)
1956 Joe Montana NFL quarterback (SF 49ers)






Deaths which occurred on June 11:
1216 Hendrik of Constantinople, emperor of Constantinople (1206-16), dies
1488 James III, king of Scotland, dies in battle
1963 Quang Duc Buddhist monk, immolates himself on a street in Saigon
1969 John L Lewis formed Congress of Industrial Organizations, dies at 89
1970 Frank Laubach Benton Pa, taught reading through phonetics, dies
1970 Frank Silvera actor (High Chaparral), dies at 55
1979 John Wayne actor, dies of cancer
1985 Karen Ann Quinlan dies in Morris Plains, NJ at 31
1988 Nathan Cook actor (White Night), dies of an allergic reaction at 38
1994 Jack Hannah, animator, dies at 90
1999 Actor DeForest Kelley of "Star Trek" fame died in Woodland Hills, Calif., at age 79.
2001 Timothy McVeigh executed in exchange for the 168 lives lost when he blew up the Ok. City federal building in 1995. The first federal prisoner executed in 38 years.
2003 David Brinkley (b.1920), TV news pioneer, died




GWOT Casualties

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A Good Day

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On this day...
1184 BC Greeks finally captured Troy
1488 Battle of Sauchieburn, Scotland
1517 Sir Thomas Pert reached Hudson Bay
1567 At Borthwick Castle a thousand Scottish nobles cornered Mary, Queen of Scots, who fled the castle by jumping out the window, disguised as a pageboy. The nobles cornered the newly-wed Mary and her third husband, the dubious James Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. They demanded Bothwell's head and Mary’s renunciation of the Earl and his influence. Bothwell, a suspect in the murder of Queen Mary’s second husband, Lord Darnley, just a few months before, fled the castle’s sheltering 110-foot towers and the asylum offered by the 6th Lord Borthwick, leaving his wife and queen behind
1770 Capt Cook runs aground on Australian Great Barrier Reef
1788 1st British ship built on Pacific coast begun at Nootka Sound, BC
1859 Comstock silver load discovered near Virginia City, Nevada
1861 Battle of Rich Mountain General George B. McClellen defeats Confederate forces
1895 1st auto race (Paris to Bordeaux, Émile Levassor wins but was disqualified because his car was not a required four-seater.
1895 Charles E. Duryea receives the first U.S. patent for a gasoline-driven automobile.
1896 US Assay Office in Deadwood, South Dakota authorized
1905 Penns Railroad debuts fastest train in world (NY-Chicago in 18 hrs)
1911 Tigers trailing White Sox 13-1 come back to win 16-15
1919 Sir Barton becomes 1st horse to win the Triple Crown
1920 Republicans nominate Warren G Harding for president (disregarding his mistress of four years, Nan Britton, declared himself to be of good character.)
1927 Babe Ruth hits 19th & 20th of 60 HRs
1929 G Neujmin discovers asteroid #1147 Stavropolis
1936 Presbyterian Church of America founded at Philadelphia
1937 Marx Brothers' "A Day At The Races" released
1939 King & Queen of England taste 1st "hot dogs" at FDR's party
1942 US & USSR sign Lend-Lease agreement during WW II
1944 1st Serbian Orthodox cathedral in US, Cathedral of St Sava, NYC
1947 WW II sugar rationing finally ends
1955 Eddie Arcaro ties record of 6 Belmont Stakes wins
1959 Postmaster General bans D.H. Lawrence's book, Lady Chatterley's Lover
1961 Norm Cash becomes 1st Det Tiger to hit a ball out of Tiger Stadium
1961 Roger Maris hits 19th & 20th of 61 HRs
1962 Frank Lee Morris, John Anglin and Clarence Anglin escape from Alcatraz and disappear into the SF Bay.
1963 Gov Wallace tries to prevent blacks registering at U of Alabama
1963 JFK says segregation is morally wrong & that it is "time to act"
1966 French & German media mistakenly report death of Roger Daltry
1967 Race riot in Tampa Florida; National Guard mobilizes
1969 David Bowie releases "Space Oddity"
1970 US leaves Wheelus AFB Libya
1974 Bundy victim Georgann Hawkins disappears from UW, Seattle, Wash
1977 Dutch marines rescued hostages from a Moluccan held train in Holland
1977 Seattle Slew wins Belmont Stakes & Triple Crown
1982 Israel & Syria stop fighting in Lebanon
1982 Larry Holmes defeats Gerry Cooney, retains WBC heavyweight crown
1982 Movie "ET The Extra-Terrestrial" released (highest grossing film)
1987 Margaret Thatcher is 1st British PM in 160 years to win 3rd cons term
1990 UN appoints Olivia Newton-John environmental ambassador (futile/meaningless gesture alert)
1991 Microsoft releases MS DOS 5.0
1996 Sen. Bob Dole leaves the Senate to campaign for President.
1998 Pakistan announced a moratorium on future nuclear testing after setting off several blasts the previous month.
2000 A day after the death of Syrian President Hafez Assad, his son, Bashar, was unanimously nominated by Syria's ruling Baath Party to succeed his father.
2001 Timothy McVeigh was executed by injection at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind., for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people.
2002 Algeriaian Islamic terrorists opened fire on a bus, killing 11 people. Ten others were wounded.
2002 Moroccan police arrested three Saudi nationals who were allegedly planning attacks against U.S. and British war ships in the Strait of Gibraltar.

2004 Pres. Reagan’s formal funeral was held in Simi, Ca





Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Hawaii : King Kamehameha I Day (1737-1819)
Nep l : King's Birthday
US : National Impressionists Day
Massachusett : Children's Day (Sunday)
Paraguay : Chaco Peace Day (1935)(Sunday)
Shelby, Mich : National Asparagus Festival(Thursday)
Great Britain : Queen's official birthday (National Day)(Saturday)
National Humor Week ends
National Fragrance Week ends
National Bathroom Reading Week (Day 6)
National Ragweed Control Month!




Religious Observances
RC, Ang, Luth, Cong : Memorial of St Barnabas, apostle
RC : Solemnity of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus




Religious History
1739 English founder of Methodism John Wesley stated in his journal: 'I look upon all the world as my parish.'
1799 Richard Allen (1760-1831), first African- American bishop in the U.S., was ordained a deacon of the Methodist Episcopal Church in Philadelphia.
1850 Birth of David C. Cook, pioneer developer of Sunday School curriculum. In 1875, Cook founded the David C. Cook Publishing Co., headquartered today in Elgin, Illinois.
1918 Brazil's first Pentecostal Church was established by missionaries Daniel Berg and Adolf Gunnar Vingren. The new congregation was registered as an 'Assembly of God' church.
1936 The Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) was organized in Philadelphia. In 1938 the denomination changed its name to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.




Ex-Stripper Elected As Judge
(Henderson, Nev. -WABC, June 9, 2005) — Ex-stripped Diana Hampton has swapped the g-string for something more conservative - judicial robes.
She defeated Michael Miller in a run-off by 176 votes Tuesday to be elected Municipal Court in Henderson.

During the campaign, Hampton, 39, acknowledged working at a Las Vegas striptease club to help pay her way through college, some 14 years ago.

She called it "a fact of life" and said she hoped the interest it drew to her candidacy would eventually die down.

She was elected to a six-year term.




Thought for the day :
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser"


8 posted on 06/11/2005 6:57:15 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Must see


Photos of my soldier in Iraq, enjoy......
6-10-05


Posted on 06/10/2005 5:08:33 PM CDT by Indy Pendance
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420600/posts


9 posted on 06/11/2005 6:58:55 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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Good morning ALL, we have threatening rain today, cooler temps and I've already been to Wal-Mart to buy Rocket's dog food.


10 posted on 06/11/2005 7:09:47 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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Good Saturday Morning to the denizens of the Freeper Foxhole.

Hope SAM is feeling better today.

We have some heavy weather moving into the Kansas City area this morninng. Just what we need nore rain :-(

From my limited reading of the times it would have been somewhat out of character for Santa Ana to have been executed. While not an exact parallel, one only has to look at some of the letters between the Federal and Confederate Generals during the War Between the States regarding surrendering of armies, etc.

I do not know if Sam Houston would have fit the Jacksonian mold or not of fight your enemies with all you have and treat them in defeat with generosity but I suspect that would have been the case.

Finally a Saturday funnie to help folks get into the weekend.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

11 posted on 06/11/2005 7:12:44 AM PDT by alfa6
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Morning Snippy.

Using 20-20 hindsight, my answer would be "no". First he signed over what became Texas to save his butt and then later because of his handling of the Army during the Mexican American War, ended up losing the southwest, which became California, New Mexico, etc to save his butt again.

Seems like we got almost all of the West from Napoleons. One needed the money and the other needed to save himself. In the long run a very good deal.

Saying that, if I was just a peon in Houston's Army, I would have put the rope around his neck myself just out of revenge for the Alamo and Goliad.

Interesting "what if". Would we have ended up going to war with Mexico if someone other than Santa Ana was in charge at the time?


12 posted on 06/11/2005 7:58:05 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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Morning Feather


13 posted on 06/11/2005 7:58:16 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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Morning E.G.C.

Looks like the rain is gonna be back for the weekend. :-(


14 posted on 06/11/2005 7:58:44 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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Morning Mayor.


15 posted on 06/11/2005 7:58:59 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: Aeronaut

Morning Aeronaut.


16 posted on 06/11/2005 7:59:10 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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Hi Sam... So glad to have my computer back..
All new, lost hard drive and had to redo everything.


17 posted on 06/11/2005 8:00:29 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: Valin
1979 John Wayne actor, dies of cancer

My favorite actor.

18 posted on 06/11/2005 8:00:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: Valin

Thanks Valin.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 8:01:16 AM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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It looks like we have some in the forecast here too. They're we could have some siginificant severe weather tommorow so we're kind of keeping a heads up.

How's it going, Snippy?

20 posted on 06/11/2005 8:01:31 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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