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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Battle of Rennell Island (1/29-30/1943) - June 9th, 2005
World War II Magazine | March 2000 | John Wukovits

Posted on 06/08/2005 10:03:49 PM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Battle of Rennell Island:
Setback in the Solomons

The tactical judgment of Admiral Robert C. Giffen may have contributed to the loss of the cruiser USS Chicago.

Lieutenant Commander Joji Higai could not have been more pleased in late January 1943. Touted by cohorts throughout the Imperial Japanese Navy as one of its best torpedo plane commanders, he had been handed a plum assignment that suited his reputation. He and his 15-plane unit from the 701st Air Group, in coordination with a second group of 16 Mitsubishi G4M torpedo bombers, were ordered to rise from Rabaul's airfields, head southwest, and attack American naval and air forces in the Solomon Islands in one of World War II's first nighttime torpedo attacks.



Approximately 700 miles to the southeast, U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Robert C. "Ike" Giffen cautiously guided a conglomeration of carriers, cruisers, escort carriers and destroyers toward the Solomon Islands. His superior, Admiral William F. Halsey, after recharging the American defensive stand at Guadalcanal, hoped Giffen's foray would be the first of many U.S. offensive actions in the region. For months the American Marines and Navy had been knocked on their heels by the victorious Japanese, but Halsey's arrival infused renewed energy in the U.S. forces fighting in the region. A speedy series of American land and sea triumphs pushed the foe backward and gave a slim advantage to the United States.

As 1943 dawned, Halsey optimistically said: "December had shown us faint signs that the tide was turning. By January no one could doubt that it had begun to run with us." Halsey realized that victory in the Solomons had not yet been guaranteed and that he needed more reinforcements, additional ships and aircraft, and tons of ammunition. Nevertheless, he felt confident that U.S. forces were "strong enough to attempt a modest offensive." He eagerly awaited developments as Giffen's force steamed toward Guadalcanal.


Admiral Robert C. Griffen


The action began unfolding in late January, when American aerial reconnaissance spotted indications of a Japanese buildup at their major port of Rabaul, on the island of New Britain, and at Buin, on the island of Bougainville. An increasing number of troop transports and freighters mingled with destroyers at those locations, and Japanese carriers and battleships appeared to be on the prowl north of Guadalcanal. Radio intelligence supported the theory that a Japanese move was imminent. Since the Japanese had repeatedly poured reinforcements into the struggle for the Solomons, American planners at Pearl Harbor concluded that this was yet another such operation.

Halsey was under pressure to relieve the 2nd Marine Division, weary from months of vicious combat with crack Japanese land forces on Guadalcanal. The aggressive admiral jumped at an opportunity to combine two operations--he intended to send in troop transports to bring out the 2nd Marine Division while shielding the transports with as much naval power as he could gather in the South Pacific. By doing so, he hoped to entice the Japanese into a surface engagement.


Mitsubishi G4M 'Betty'


Halsey's opponent, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, commander in chief of the Combined Fleet, would not be tricked, however. The man who had planned the successful attack on Pearl Harbor had subsequently seen his navy face a reversal in the Coral Sea, catastrophic losses at Midway, and continued pounding in the Solomons. With fuel supplies running low, the Japanese commander could not mount a vast naval operation. Instead, he planned to send Higai and his 32 torpedo bombers--known as "Bettys"--against the Americans.

Halsey assembled a formidable force. Six separate groups headed toward the Solomons instead of one unit because each had assembled at a different harbor. Four groups steamed anywhere from 250 to 400 miles behind the two forward groups. The ships in the rear would rush in to meet any large Japanese threat that might unfold in response to the American attempt to land reinforcements on Guadalcanal. The four consisted of Rear Adm. Walden L. Ainsworth's Task Force 67, composed of four light cruisers and four destroyers; Rear Adm. Willis A. Lee's three battleships and four destroyers of Task Force 64; Rear Adm. DeWitt Ramsey's carrier group, centered on Saratoga; and Rear Adm. Ted Sherman's carrier group, anchored by Enterprise.


Cruisers of Task Force 18 at sea en route to Guadalcanal on 29 January 1943, prior to the Japanese night air attack off Rennell Island.
Photographed from USS Wichita (CA-45). USS Chicago (CA-29) is in the right center, with USS Louisville (CA-28) in the distance.
Note men on Wichita's deck, working on a paravane.


As for the two groups of ships that steamed ahead of the rest, the four transports and four destroyers of Task Group 62.8 conveyed the replacements for the 2nd Marine Division. Giffen's potent Task Force 18 consisted of three heavy cruisers--Wichita, Chicago and Louisville--steaming in conjunction with three light cruisers--Montpelier, Cleveland and Columbia. Two escort carriers--Chenango and Suwannee--provided air cover, while eight destroyers--La Vallette, Waller, Conway, Frazier, Chevalier, Edwards, Mead and Taylor--circled the larger ships as a screen.

Ike Giffen was not new to command. He had battled German U-boats in the Atlantic Ocean and led forces in North African waters, but he had never served in the Pacific, where air assaults on ships at sea were far more common. Giffen came from the old school of naval leadership and was a favorite of Admiral Ernest J. King, commander in chief of the U.S. Fleet and chief of naval operations. Giffen commanded by the book, and he even refused to step aboard Halsey's flagship because he detested Halsey's open-necked shirts and ruffled caps.


VICE ADMIRAL JINICHI KUSAKA


Giffen guided Task Force 18 out of Efate on January 27, the same day the transport group departed Noumea. His orders were to rendezvous 15 miles off Cape Hunter, on Guadalcanal's southwest coast, late on January 30 with the four destroyers that escorted the transports. The combined force would then steam north through Solomon waters in search of Japanese ships while the transports dropped off Marine reinforcements at Lunga Point.

A string of mistakes and poor judgment by Giffen plagued the operation from the start. Because of his experience in the Atlantic, he focused on a possible submarine threat while downplaying the danger from the skies. His decision to keep the slower escort carriers with his faster cruisers and destroyers slowed the entire group to 18 knots, the maximum speed attainable by the baby flattops. The group also encountered delays each time the carriers had to turn into the southeast wind to launch or recover aircraft.



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To: SAMWolf
Still thinking about the perfect cruise yesterday.

And learning the rules of the river. :-)

61 posted on 06/09/2005 2:59:57 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: GailA
This work thing leaves me to little time to FReep. It leaves me tired and in need of a nap when I get home.

Boy Do I know that feeling! ;-)

62 posted on 06/09/2005 4:03:27 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: snippy_about_it
And learning the rules of the river

ha! I think you made them up. ;-)

63 posted on 06/09/2005 4:04:41 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: SAMWolf

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on June 09:
1640 Leopold I Emperor of Holy Roman Empire
1672 Peter I Aleksejevitsj, the Great, Russian tsar/Emperor
1781 George Stephenson inventor (principal RR locomotive)
1791 John Howard Payne US, author/actor/diplomat (Home Sweet Home)
1893 Cole Porter Indiana, composer/lyricist (Anything Goes, Kiss Me Kate)
1900 Fred Waring Tyrone Penn, musician/conductor/inventor (Waring Blender)
1908 Robert Cummings Joplin Mo, actor (Love that Bob, Dial M For Murder)


1915 Les Paul Waukesha Wi, guitarist/inventor (Les Paul guitar) Chester & Lester [w/Chet Atkins - 1976], Trustees Award [1982]; w/Mary Ford: Vaya Con Dios, How High the Moon, Hummingbird, Sittin' on Top of the World; Rock and Roll Hall of Famer [1988])


1916 Robert S McNamara US Sec of Defense (1961-68)/head of World Bank
1930 Jackie Mason(Yacov Moshe Maza) comedian (The World According to Me, Chicken Soup)
1930 Marvin Kalb NYC, educator/newscaster (CBS/NBC)
1934 Donald Duck famous fowl
1934 Jackie Wilson Detroit, singer (Lonely Teardrops)
1934 Joe Santos Bkln NY, actor (Rockford Files, Shamus)
1947 Mitch Mitchell drummer (Jimi Hendrix Experience-Purple Haze)
1958 Donald Michael Santini Mass, murderer (FBI Most Wanted List)
1961 Michael J Fox, actor (Family Ties, Back to the Future, Teen Wolf)
1963 Johnny Depp Queensboro Ky, actor (Donnie Brasco)



Deaths which occurred on June 09:
0068 Nero Roman Emperor commits suicide
1870 Charles Dickens author, dies in England
1897 Alvin Graham Clark dies 3 weeks after 1st use of Yerkes 40" lens
1911 Carry Amelia Moore Nation, American temperance leader, dies
1964 W Maxwell Aitken, Lord Beaverbrook, Engl Min of Info, dies at 85
1972 John Paul Vann, (American military adviser,) killed in a helicopter accident in South Vietnam. He posthumously was awarded the highest American civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
1981 Allen Ludden game show host (Password), dies at 63
1982 Hank Ladd TV host (Arrow Show, Waiting for the Break), dies at 74


GWOT Casualties

Iraq
09-Jun-2004 1 | US: 1 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Private 1st Class Thomas D. Caughman Baghdad (eastern part) Hostile - hostile fire


Afghanistan
A Good Day

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Designed and maintained by Michael White


On this day...
1456 23rd recorded perihelion passage of Halley's Comet
1534 Jacques Cartier 1st sails into mouth of St Lawrence River
1549 Book of Common Prayer was adopted by the Church of England.
1628 1st deportation from what is now US, Thomas Morton from Mass
1732 Royal charter for Georgia granted to James Oglethorpe
1772 1st Protestant church west of Penn (in Ohio) holds communion
1784 John Carroll appointed supervisor of US Catholic Missions
1789 Spanish capture British schooner Northwest America near Vancouver Island
1790 1st book copyrighted under the constitution, Philadelphia Spelling Bk
1822 Charles Graham receives 1st patent for false teeth
1851 San Francisco Committee of Vigilance forms (1st time)
1862 Battle of Port Republic, last of 5 battles in Jacksons Valley camp
1863 Battle of Brandy Station, Va
1868 1st meeting of the Board of Regents, University of California
1869 Charles Elmer Hires sells his 1st root beer (Phila)
1883 1st commercial electric railway line begins operation (Chicago El)
1898 China leases Hong Kong's new territories to Britain for 99 years
1899 Jim Jeffries KOs Bob Fitzsimmons for the Heavyweight boxxing crown
1901 NY Giants get record 31 hits to beat Cin Reds 25-13 (talk about a pitchers duel!)
1907 K Lohnert discovers asteroid #635 Vundtia
1914 Honus Wagner becomes the 1st baseball player to get 3,000 hits
1924 "Jelly-Roll Blues," was recorded by blues great, Jelly Roll Morton.

1928 1st aerial crossing of the Pacific lands in Brisbane Australia
1931 C Jackson discovers asteroid #1197 Rhodesia
1931 Goddard patents rocket-fueled aircraft design
1934 1st Donald Duck cartoon, The Wise Little Hen, released
1940 Norway surrenders to Germany during WW II
1943 Congress passes "pay-as-you-go" income tax
1944 23 puppies (record litter) born to Lena, a foxhound, Ambler, Penn
1945 Japanese Premier Kantaro Suzuki declared that Japan will fight to the last rather than accept unconditional surrender
1946 19 guests at Canfield Hotel die in fire. (Dubuque Iowa)
1946 66,545 fans help Yanks break million attendance mark, the earliest
1946 NY Giant Mel Ott becomes the 1st manager to be ejected from both games of a doubleheader
1949 Mrs Georgia Neese Clark of Kansas becomes 1st woman treasurer of US
1953 Tornado strikes Worcester Mass destroying Assumption College (100 die)
1954 Joseph Welch asks Sen Joseph McCarthy "Have you no sense of decency, sir?" during Senate-Army hearings
1955 100ø F-Hottest day in Seattle Washington
1957 Anthony Eden resigns as British PM
1959 1st ballistic missile sub launched (George Washington-Groton, Ct)
1960 ABC & AFL sign a 5 year contract
1963 Barbra Striesand appears on "The Ed Sullivan Show"
1963 Movie "Cleopatra" opens in NY
1966 5 Minn Twins (Rich Rollins, Zolio Versailes, Tony Oliva, Don Michner,& Harmon Killebrew) all homer in the 7th inning to beat Athletics 9-4
1967 The Monkees appear at the Hollywood Bowl
1969 Warren Burger confirmed as US Chief Justice
1970 Harry A Blackmun becomes a Supreme Court Justice
1972 14" of rain in 6 hrs burst Rapid City SD dam, drowns 200
1972 Bruce Springsteen signs a record deal with Columbia
1973 Secretariat wins Belmont Stakes & Triple Crown
1974 Supergroup Blind Faith's (Clapton, Windwood, Baker) 1st concert
1975 E Roemer discovers asteroid #1983 Bok
1977 Silver jubilee of Queen Elizabeth celebrated with fireworks
1978 Gutenberg Bible (1 of 21) sells for $2.4 million, London
1978 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) strikes down 148 year policy of excluding black men from priesthood
1979 Coastal wins the Belmont Stakes
1979 Michael Cairney topples a record row of 169,713 dominoes
1979 Phillies wear burgundy uniforms for 1st & last time
1980 Comedian Richard Pryor suffers burns from free basing cocaine
1980 Phillies & SF Giants end their game at 3:11 AM
1980 Soyuz T-2 returns to Earth
1982 Israel wipes out Syrian SAM missiles in Bekaa Valley
1985 American Thomas Sutherland is kidnapped & held hostage in Lebanon
1985 USSR's Vega 1 deposits lander on surface of Venus
1986 Angel Don Sutton (298 wins) beats White Sox Tom Seaver (306 wins) 3-0
1986 Rogers Comm report on Challenger disaster blames Morton Thiokol
1988 Attorney General Meese orders Joseph Doherty deported to the UK
1989 "Star Trek V" premiers
1989 Barry Switzer resigns as head coach of Oklahoma's football
1989 Rare tornado in Philadelphia kills 1
1992 Vice President Dan Quayle, addressing Southern Baptists in Indianapolis, condemned the "media elite," saying, "I wear their scorn as a badge of honor."

1994 The U.S. House of Representatives voted to require the Clinton administration to stop participating in the U.N.-sponsored arms embargo against the Bosnian government.

1995 Colombian police arrested Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, believed to be a leader of the Cali drug cartel.
1997 British lease on New Territories in Hong Kong expires
1999 President Clinton instructed federal law agencies to collect race and gender data on people they stop or arrest, in a move to end racial profiling by police.
2000 Congo 22-month civil war averaged some 2,600 deaths every day. The total was estimated at 1.7 million dead
2003 Hillary Clinton's (Alleged) memoir "Living History" was released.
2004 Thousands viewed the flag-draped casket of Pres. Reagan in the Capitol Rotunda of Washington DC.
2005 Anti-government demonstrations continue in Iran.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Oklahoma : Senior Citizens Day
Massachusett : Children's Day (Sunday)
Shelby, Mich : National Asparagus Festival (Thursday)
Great Britain : Queen's official birthday (National Day)(Saturday)
National Humor Week (Day 5)
National Fragrance Week (Day 5)
National Bathroom Reading Week (Day 4)
Fresh Fruits and Vegetables Month


Religious Observances
Ancient Rome : Vestalia (honors goddess Vesta); a d v Id Juni‘
Christian : Feast of St Pelagia
RC : Memorial of Ephraem, deacon & doctor (opt)
RC : Commemoration of SS Primus & Felician, martyrs
Ang, Luth, RC : Commemoration of Columba, Abbot of Iona
Luth : Commemoration of Aidan, confessors
Luth : Commemoration of Bede, confessors


Religious History
0597 Death of St. Columba (born 521), pioneer missionary to Scotland. From the Isle of Iona, Columba evangelized the mainland of Scotland and Northumbria.
1549 In England, Parliament established a uniformity of religious services and the first Book of Common Prayer, as Anglicanism became the newly established national faith.
1732 Englishman James Oglethorpe received a royal charter to form the American colony of Georgia. It was to be a place of refuge for sectarian Protestant believers, persecuted in England.
1784 In the first step toward formal organization of the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S., Father John Carroll was appointed superior of the American missions by Pius VI.
1834 English Baptist missionary pioneer William Carey died at 73. Having translated portions of Scripture into as many as 25 languages, he is known by some today as the 'father of modern missions.'

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


U.S. MILITARY HAS TEAM OF 'UNDERGROUND SUBMARINES' STALKING IRAN


By MICHAEL FORSYTH

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- America's military arsenal includes a deadly new weapon: Submarine-like craft that travel underground instead of underwater!

Dubbed Subterranean Underground Vehicles, or SUVs, 14 of the top-secret vessels are already roving far beneath the sands of Iran, poised to launch a surprise attack if it becomes necessary to overthrow the rogue regime.

"They're mega-gasguzzlers, but that's no problem since they clandestinely tap into Iran's oil wells," said a reliable Pentagon source.

"SUVs are already in place near Iraq's most strategically important cities -- including Tehran, Hamadan, Bakhtaran and Mashad.

"The White House is hoping diplomacy will persuade Iran to abandon its nuclear program.

"But if President Bush gives the word, elite troops aboard those craft could emerge and easily overrun Iran's unprepared defensive forces."

Each SUV's nose is equipped with powerful drills capable of boring through solid granite and the craft's six giant, retractable digging claws allow it to tunnel like a mole. Under farmland, the vehicles can travel 20 miles a day.

"Under sand, they're faster -- capable of slithering up to 45 m.p.h.," the insider said.

The source refused to provide details of the highly classified technology. But he warned: "If Iranian officials don't play ball with Uncle Sam they'll face dire consequences."



Thought for the day :
"Never miss a good chance to shut up"


64 posted on 06/09/2005 4:37:15 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin
1914 Honus Wagner becomes the 1st baseball player to get 3,000 hits

No how many of you can honestly say you knew about?

Subterranean Underground Vehicles


65 posted on 06/09/2005 5:22:58 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: SAMWolf
ha! I think you made them up.

Sure, then why was everyone doing it, hmmmm?

66 posted on 06/09/2005 5:41:14 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

If you can't trust the Weekly World News, who can you trust?


67 posted on 06/09/2005 5:45:14 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: SAMWolf

It's 7:45 and I'm ready for my jammies and the bed. 5:30 comes all to early.


68 posted on 06/09/2005 5:45:21 PM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: Valin
1974 Supergroup Blind Faith's (Clapton, Windwood, Baker) 1st concert

???

This is the US album cover, the UK version is not quite safe for a family web site.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

69 posted on 06/09/2005 6:36:35 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: E.G.C.

Thanks EGC. ((Hugs))


70 posted on 06/09/2005 6:37:52 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
CHICAGO was an unlucky ship. She was poorly handled at the Battle of Savo (her CO even later committed suicide when the investigation revealed how much so), and she was screwed at Rennel by the actions of her admiral.
71 posted on 06/09/2005 6:37:56 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Back at sea on my sixth gator)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; alfa6; PAR35; Iris7; Aeronaut; E.G.C.; GailA; The Mayor; ...
USS Chicago CA-29 Album

CHICAGO (CA-29) was designed for a length overall of 600 feet, 3 inches; extreme beam of 66 feet, 1 inch; standard displacement of 9,300 tons; a mean draft of 16 feet, 8 inches; and a complement of 45 officers and 576 men. [45 + 576 = 621] She was initially armed with nine eight-inch .55 caliber guns; four 5-inch .25 caliber guns; eight .50 caliber machine guns; and six 21-inch surfaced torpedo tubes. She had a designed speed of 32.5 knots. She had armor eight inches thick and was equipped with two catapults amidships.

~~~

One torpedo hit well forward, showering the bridge and forecastle with debris. Three others exploded in the already damaged engineering spaces. Captain Davis passed the word to abandon ship. He had about 20 minutes to clear CHICAGO of all hands, including her wounded. Fleet tug NAVAJO and destroyers EDWARDS, WALLER and SANDS collected the 1049 survivors. Six officers and 56 enlisted men were killed in the action. [1049 + 6 + 56 = 1111]

The USS Houston (CA-30) is forward of USS Chicago (CA-29) on 10 Sep 1940 at Mare Island Navy Yard. USS Ramapo (AO-12) is berth alongside of USS Houston and the USS William Ward Burrows (AP-6) and the YD-33 (150 ton crane) are alongside of USS Chicago. In this picture there is a good view of the AA guns added to the Chicago's aft deck house. U.S. Navy Photo.

Muy gigante foto

The 40 millimeter quadruple mount gun is a medium range anti-aircraft weapon.

Most of the crew worked to keep the ammunition flowing to meet the high rate of fire. There were four shells in each clip used in these guns. If the shells failed to make direct hits, self-destructive fuses destroyed them at about 4,000 yards range.

Effective range: 4,000 yards
Rate of fire: 12 rounds per minutes
Weight of shell: 1.4 pounds
Gun crew per mount: 15-20 men

72 posted on 06/09/2005 7:16:42 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: snippy_about_it
Sure, then why was everyone doing it, hmmmm?

SOme kind of plot?

73 posted on 06/09/2005 7:36:23 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: PhilDragoo

Evening Phil Dragoo.

Gotta love those pom-pom guns. :-)

Looks she she had almost double the normal crew


74 posted on 06/09/2005 7:40:21 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Some sort of Jonah attched to her, I guess.


75 posted on 06/09/2005 7:40:50 PM PDT by SAMWolf (If a mute boy swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?)
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To: PhilDragoo; SAMWolf

I had one more thought about the number of survivors. Perhaps that number also includes the survivors from the destroyer which was lost in the action.

I'm going to nit-pick on this latest article. I believe it has a few extra decimal points which shouldn't be there. It describes the 8 inch and the 5 inch guns as being .55 caliber and .25 caliber, respectively. Since the caliber is a designation of barrel length, I don't think the decimal points should be there. (Of course, they are properly on the .50 caliber machine guns, since that is measuring something different. )

If my understanding of naval gun designations is correct, the 8' gun would have a barrel about 36' 8" long, and the 5 inch guns would have barrels of a little over 10 feet in length.

For comparison, current CGs and DDs have 5 inch guns in either 54 or 62 caliber, or more than twice as long as the barrels on the 5 inch guns of the Chicago. (22'6" or 25'9").


76 posted on 06/09/2005 8:52:46 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo
Evening Mr Wolf. Yep, vacation is over.

Hope you're doing well.


77 posted on 06/09/2005 8:53:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf
SOme kind of plot?

Everybody's doing it, doing it, doing it...




See!



78 posted on 06/09/2005 10:25:05 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks Phil. Great pictures.


79 posted on 06/09/2005 10:26:02 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
"Never miss a good chance to shut up"

Oh my, if I could ever learn this I'd be...well, I don't know what I'd be but I really do need to learn it.

80 posted on 06/09/2005 10:28:03 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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