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Posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:05 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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 are acknowledged, affirmed and commemorated.
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 They were killed at Franklin, all right, but it's not true that all five were laid out on the same porch. by Col. Campbell H. Brown General John B. Hood on November 30, 1864, launched one of his typically ill-considered attacks on the Federal entrenched position at Franklin, Tennessee. Stanley Horn writes: "...in the last two hours of the day... the combat was waged with a maniacal desperation witnessed on no other field of the war." The Confederates suffered a staggering loss--four times as great as that of Pickett at Gettysburg. In no other battle were so many general officers put out of action: for the Confederates, twelve, of whom five were killed outright and one mortally wounded. Historians have claimed that after the battle the bodies of Major General Patrick R. Cleburne and Brigadier Generals John Adams, states Rights Gist, Hiram B. Granbury, and Otho F. Strahl were brought in from the bloody field and laid out side by side on the small porch of "Carnton," ancestral McGavock home.  Major General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne John R. Peacock of High Point, North Carolina, by sound reasoning and the use of a hitherto unpublished source, now concludes that this widely accepted story is not altogether correct. It is true that there were five bodies on Mrs. John McGavock's porch, and three of them were generals: Cleburne, Granbury, and Strahl. The others were Colonel R. B. Young, General Granbury's chief of staff, and Lieutenant John H. Marsh, aide to General Strahl. The five bodies were removed, probably on 1 or 2 December, to Columbia and a day later were interred in Rose Hill Cemetery.  Brigadier General John Adams Major General Lucius J. Polk, former adjutant general of Tennessee, was outraged when he heard that the five heroes had been buried in that portion of the cemetery set aside as a potters' field for the interment of criminals and indigents. With the aid of Chaplain Charles t. Quintard he had the five officers disinterred and moved to the cemetery of St. John's Church near his home at Ashwood. Later three were again moved to cemeteries at their homes; but the bodies of Young and Marsh still rest at St. John's. Brigadier General Arthur H. Manigault, also a casualty of Franklin, was likewise carried to Polk's home, Hamilton Place, but he survived.  Brigadier General States Rights Gist Brigadier General John Adams, a native of Nashville, had married a girl at Pulaski. Consequently when he fell at Franklin the sorrowing members of his brigade took him in a wagon to Pulaski, where he was buried on December 1. As Mr. Peacock points out, there was scarcely time for a stopover on McGavock's porch en route. Thomas R. Markham, chaplain of Featherston's brigade, averred, however, that Adams, who was killed at the moment of crossing the Federal barricade, was picked up in an ambulance and taken to the McGavock home.  Brigadier General Hiram B. Granbury Wiley Howard, body servant to General Gist, gave an account to a biographer of the Gist family in which he says that he searched the field for the body of the general, who he had been told had fallen. He found Gist, who had died at 8:30 p.m. at the brigade field hospital, which had been set up near the home of Judge White (still standing at 724 Fair Street in Franklin). With the help of the brigade surgeon he secured a cedar box as a coffin, which he loaded into an ambulance. He drove to Mrs. White's front door and begged permission to bury the general in the White family cemetery. Mrs. White had the body brought into her parlor, and summoned a minister who held a funeral attended by officers and men from Georgia and South Carolina troops of Gist's brigade. The remains were then buried in the family cemetery. As the army passed back through Franklin after its defeat at Nashville, Wiley or some member of Gist's staff disinterred the body and shipped it to Columbia, South Carolina, where it was buried under a big cedar tree (which I remember) in the family plot in Trinity Churchyard, near the State House.  Brigadier General Otho F. Strahl Thus, although in war the bodies of the fallen usually receive only temporary field burial and for various reasons become "unknown" dead, in this case the dead generals did receive proper care, and their resting places are known today.       |
Good morning Aeronaut. Hope your travels were pleasant.
Thanks for the "fall back" reminder.
Good morning Humal.
Thanks so much for your encouraging words. Everytime we hear about our threads being used for teaching it makes us extremely proud of what we do here.
He didn't always seem to be that way, but in war it only takes once if you're not on the ball. From what I've learned here in the Foxhole I expect his failure at Franklin had to do with his downhill spiral after the loss of his limbs and the pain he was in.
For Hood to have gone on commanding was both worthy and at the same time sad because he put the troops at risk and they all paid dearly.
I have run across some "chatter" regards that website on a couple of the aviation newsgroups. Cutthroat and addicitng would be two of the main comments as I recall.
I will have to see if I can reactivate some memory banks to be more specific.
PS don't hold your breath :-)
Regards
alfa6 ;>}
Jefferson Davis' selection of leaders in the West was such a disaster from start to finish!
Thanks!
***marking for hubby***
Thanks for the ping!
Howdy back atcha!
Good morning feather.
I knew you knew that! Thanks for the book recommendation, the title makes it sound very interesting.
Read: Galatians 6:1-9
Our transgressions are multiplied before You, and our sins testify against us. —Isaiah 59:12
Bible In One Year: Jeremiah 20-21; 2 Timothy 4
A group of students at Renaissance High School in Detroit decided to cut classes to attend a rock concert in Hart Plaza. They felt they had gotten away with it, but the next day when The Detroit News appeared on the newsstand, it carried a color photo of the concert—right there on the front page. And who was in that picture? That's right—the delinquent students of Renaissance High, easily recognizable by anyone.
The Bible teaches that we cannot hide our iniquities. Oh, we may be able to cover them up for a while and even get away with them for an extended period of time. But the day will inevitably come when we must face up to them, either in this world or in the next. Paul told the Galatians, "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap" (Galatians 6:7).
Perhaps you have some secret sin that you are hiding. If so, I urge you to confess and forsake it. Or maybe you are gradually being drawn into a situation that you know is wrong and you're tempted to pursue it, thinking you won't get caught. Then I plead with you to go no further. Your picture may not appear on the front page of a newspaper, but the Bible says you won't get away with it! —Dave Egner
Morning Neil.
That reminds me, have to get some goodies for the Trick or Treaters.
Welcome back Aeronaut. How was the trip?
Morning E.G.C. We've been having the sun pop in and out all morning, it can't make up it's mind whether to be a rainy day or a sunny day.
Thanks Humal. Now I have to get Snippy's feet back on the ground. ;-)
History Channel just did a segment on Franklin. Tragedy is a good word. They just kept throwing troops into straight frontal attacks.
I've been to the site, the house, the cemetery ... thinking about it makes me want to cry, but my nose would run!
"Halsey's bellicose slogan was 'Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs.' His 'bloodthirstiness' was not just a put-on to gain headlines. He strongly believed that by denigrating the enemy he was counteracting the myth of Japanese martial superiority . . . '
"Halsey's racial slurs made him a symbol of combative leadership, a vocal Japanese-hater . . . "
"Halsey was not an intellectual. His official reports were written in commonplace language. His speeches and private correspondence reveal that he often thought in cliches, that his vocabulary was narrow and that he had difficulty with syntax. His letters confirm his contempt for the Japanese in locker-room jargon . . . "
"Halsey had the knack of appointing extremely intelligent officers to his staff, on whom he relied for decision- making. On only rare occasions did he overrule them. 'Admiral Halsey's strongest point,' wrote a staff officer, 'was his superb leadership. While always the true professional and exacting professional performance from all subordinates, he had a charismatic effect on them which was like being touched by a a magic wand. Anyone so touched was determined to excel."
[From "Fleet Admiral William F. Halsey Jr" by James E. Merrill]
Morning alfa6. :-)
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