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The FReeper Foxhole Reviews "The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals" - October 30th, 2004
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Posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:05 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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Give them victory over the enemy...
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Bless those who mourn the lost. .
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The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals
They were killed at Franklin, all right, but it's not true that all five were laid out on the same porch. by Col. Campbell H. Brown
General John B. Hood on November 30, 1864, launched one of his typically ill-considered attacks on the Federal entrenched position at Franklin, Tennessee. Stanley Horn writes: "...in the last two hours of the day... the combat was waged with a maniacal desperation witnessed on no other field of the war." The Confederates suffered a staggering loss--four times as great as that of Pickett at Gettysburg. In no other battle were so many general officers put out of action: for the Confederates, twelve, of whom five were killed outright and one mortally wounded.
Historians have claimed that after the battle the bodies of Major General Patrick R. Cleburne and Brigadier Generals John Adams, states Rights Gist, Hiram B. Granbury, and Otho F. Strahl were brought in from the bloody field and laid out side by side on the small porch of "Carnton," ancestral McGavock home.
Major General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne
John R. Peacock of High Point, North Carolina, by sound reasoning and the use of a hitherto unpublished source, now concludes that this widely accepted story is not altogether correct. It is true that there were five bodies on Mrs. John McGavock's porch, and three of them were generals: Cleburne, Granbury, and Strahl. The others were Colonel R. B. Young, General Granbury's chief of staff, and Lieutenant John H. Marsh, aide to General Strahl. The five bodies were removed, probably on 1 or 2 December, to Columbia and a day later were interred in Rose Hill Cemetery.
Brigadier General John Adams
Major General Lucius J. Polk, former adjutant general of Tennessee, was outraged when he heard that the five heroes had been buried in that portion of the cemetery set aside as a potters' field for the interment of criminals and indigents. With the aid of Chaplain Charles t. Quintard he had the five officers disinterred and moved to the cemetery of St. John's Church near his home at Ashwood. Later three were again moved to cemeteries at their homes; but the bodies of Young and Marsh still rest at St. John's. Brigadier General Arthur H. Manigault, also a casualty of Franklin, was likewise carried to Polk's home, Hamilton Place, but he survived.
Brigadier General States Rights Gist
Brigadier General John Adams, a native of Nashville, had married a girl at Pulaski. Consequently when he fell at Franklin the sorrowing members of his brigade took him in a wagon to Pulaski, where he was buried on December 1. As Mr. Peacock points out, there was scarcely time for a stopover on McGavock's porch en route. Thomas R. Markham, chaplain of Featherston's brigade, averred, however, that Adams, who was killed at the moment of crossing the Federal barricade, was picked up in an ambulance and taken to the McGavock home.
Brigadier General Hiram B. Granbury
Wiley Howard, body servant to General Gist, gave an account to a biographer of the Gist family in which he says that he searched the field for the body of the general, who he had been told had fallen. He found Gist, who had died at 8:30 p.m. at the brigade field hospital, which had been set up near the home of Judge White (still standing at 724 Fair Street in Franklin). With the help of the brigade surgeon he secured a cedar box as a coffin, which he loaded into an ambulance. He drove to Mrs. White's front door and begged permission to bury the general in the White family cemetery. Mrs. White had the body brought into her parlor, and summoned a minister who held a funeral attended by officers and men from Georgia and South Carolina troops of Gist's brigade. The remains were then buried in the family cemetery. As the army passed back through Franklin after its defeat at Nashville, Wiley or some member of Gist's staff disinterred the body and shipped it to Columbia, South Carolina, where it was buried under a big cedar tree (which I remember) in the family plot in Trinity Churchyard, near the State House.
Brigadier General Otho F. Strahl
Thus, although in war the bodies of the fallen usually receive only temporary field burial and for various reasons become "unknown" dead, in this case the dead generals did receive proper care, and their resting places are known today.
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
The Foxhole is one place that is free from the spelling police. I think the mistress would get snippy with anyone who didn't understand that great minds and excellent typing skills do not go hand in hand. :^)
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posted on
10/30/2004 8:58:35 PM PDT
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Samwise
(Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
To: Professional Engineer
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posted on
10/30/2004 9:51:33 PM PDT
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Samwise
(Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
To: Samwise
I don't even have the patience to take pictures.
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:13:15 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: Professional Engineer
That's for sure. IMHO they'd be calling for a Declaration of Independence all over again.
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:14:13 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: Professional Engineer
We somehow missed getting any this year.Same here, just too busy. :-(
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:16:02 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: Professional Engineer
I fear I misspelled year.:-) Sam's Skool of Spelling strikes again!
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:16:48 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: Samwise
I think the mistress would get snippy with anyone who didn't understand that great minds and excellent typing skills do not go hand in hand. :^)Is that like the "a clean desk is a sign of a sick mind" philosopy?
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:18:05 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Neil E. Wright; E.G.C.; Aeronaut; Humal; Tax-chick; Valin; alfa6; ...
The epitaph of States Rights Gist is the longest I have ever seen.
Regarding Halsey, "Japanese will be spoken only in hell."
Bush remarked at the final debate, "There were a few appointments I made I wasn't too happy about." I immediately thought "Norman P.C. Mineta".
Delirium scaevus update: Walter Cronkite told Larry King last night he thinks Karl Rove set up Osama bin Laden to make the recent videotape.
Which would have been a piece of cake as Madeleine Albright told Robert Reich that the Bush Administration had Osama on ice.
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:30:42 PM PDT
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PhilDragoo
(Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: Samwise; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo; radu; Professional Engineer; All
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo
When I heard that remark by Cronkite, I knew for sure he had gone completely nutso.
"All ships sunk by the Japanese have been salvaged and are retreating at high speed in the direction of the enemy."
-Admiral Halsey regarding Japanese claims of victory over US Naval Strike Force.
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10/30/2004 10:51:06 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: bentfeather
Evening Feather. Like "Long Cool Woman", now I'll have that tune in my mind all night.
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posted on
10/30/2004 10:52:42 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: SAMWolf
I am so haunting, Sam. :)
To: bentfeather
Just no drinking and driving. ;-)
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posted on
10/30/2004 11:02:34 PM PDT
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SAMWolf
(MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
To: SAMWolf
To: Samwise
I think the mistress would get snippy ...You know me so well. :-)
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posted on
10/30/2004 11:46:45 PM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: SAMWolf
The Sam skool of spelling. :-) LOL. It keeps us guessing.
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10/30/2004 11:57:32 PM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: Samwise
Cool jack-o-lantern. I see Mr. Samwise was supervising. ;-)
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10/30/2004 11:58:54 PM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: PhilDragoo
The Cronkite statement immediately made me think of the CBS logo gif you sent. He was only great cuz' CBS said he was.
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posted on
10/31/2004 12:02:44 AM PDT
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snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: PhilDragoo
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posted on
10/31/2004 3:04:40 AM PST
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E.G.C.
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