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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Bizarre B-17 Collision over the North Sea - August 28th, 2004
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Posted on 08/27/2004 11:40:31 PM PDT by snippy_about_it



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Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.



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Bizarre B-17 Collision Over the North Sea




WWII


When a pair of B-17s collided in midair and became interlocked, the surviving crewmen experienced the ride of their lives.
By Teresa K. Flatley

At dawn on December 31, 1944, while the Battle of the Bulge raged, two young airmen took off from Thorpe Abbotts, England, and flew their Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress in formation with hundreds of others in what was to be a "maximum effort" over Germany by every available flier. That New Year's Eve would soon require the maximum effort these two men could muster to stay alive in what has to be considered one of the most unlikely incidents in aerial history.

It was the 22nd mission for 1st Lt. Glenn H. Rojohn, a native of Greenock, Pa., the pilot of B-17 No. 42-231987, and 2nd Lt. William G. Leek, Jr., from Washington state, his co-pilot. Both men had been scheduled for leave after flying several missions in a row. But their plans were interrupted at 4 a.m. that day when they were awakened for the so-called maximum effort, which meant, as Rojohn later explained, "Everyone flies." Thirty-seven heavy bombers took off with the 100th Bomb Group that day. Only 25 planes returned to England.


Thorpe Abbotts


Following breakfast and briefing at the base, home to members of the 100th Bomb Group from June 1943 to December 1945, Rojohn and Leek learned that their target would be Hamburg, a port city with numerous oil refineries and submarine pens. Second Lieutenant Robert Washington, the ship's navigator, recalled the start of that, his 27th, mission: "Takeoff on the morning of December 31, 1944, was delayed because of fog, and when we assembled the group and departed the coast of England, we learned that the fighter escort had been delayed due to the weather."

It took "almost as much time to rendezvous to go on a mission as it did to complete a mission," Rojohn recalled, "because the weather in England was always bad, and we had to circle around and around until we broke out above the overcast. Our squadrons [Rojohn flew in C Squadron] then formed, and we met other groups until we got into a long line of traffic heading toward Germany.



This particular day we flew over the North Sea to a point south of Denmark and then turned southwest down the Elbe River to Hamburg. We were somewhere in the neighborhood of 25,000 feet [altitude]. At that time I don't think much was known about the jet stream, but we had a tail wind of about 200 nautical miles an hour. We got into the target pretty quick. Over the target, we had just about everything but the kitchen sink thrown at us."

Leek's recollections of the Hamburg mission were equally vivid: "The target and the sky over it were black from miles away. The flak was brutal. We flew through flak clouds and aircraft parts for what seemed like an hour."

While Rojohn does not like to criticize his commanding officers, he thinks a mistake was made that day. "Instead of hitting the target and angling out over Germany still on a southwesterly direction and then out over Belgium, they turned us at 180 degrees back toward the North Sea," Rojohn said. "So an 80-knot tailwind became an 80-knot headwind. We were probably making about 50 or 60 mph on the ground."

"When we finally got clear of the coastal flak batteries," recalled Washington, "we turned west and skirted the flak area by flying between Heligoland and Wilhelmshaven. The flak was heavy as we crossed the coastline. I'm not certain whether we headed northwest between Bremerhaven and Kuxhaven, or due west over the little town of Aurich and across the coastline near Norden."



Over the North Sea, Rojohn remembered, they were flying at 22,000 feet when they "encountered wave after wave of German fighters. We just barely got out over the North Sea, and the sky was rumbling around us with exploding flak and German [Messerschmitt] Me-109 fighter planes so close I could see the faces of the young German pilots as they went by. They were just having a field day with our formation. We lost plane after plane."

According to an account written by Tech. Sgt. Orville E. Elkin, Rojohn's top turret gunner and engineer: "The fighters came from every direction, 12 o'clock, 6 o'clock, from the bottom and from the top. Your body becomes cold and numb from fright as you realize that only one-sixteenth of an inch of aluminum stands between you and this battery of firepower." Ten planes were quickly lost.

Leek had been at the controls when the crew came off the bomb run. He and Rojohn alternated the controls each half hour. "On this mission," Leek recalled, "the lead plane was off Glenn's wing, so he flew the bomb run. I should have kept the controls for at least my half-hour, but once the attack began, our formation tightened up and we started bouncing up and down. Our lead plane kept going out of sight for me. I may have been overcorrecting, but the planes all seemed to bounce at different times. I asked Glenn to take it, and he did."



Rojohn maneuvered to take a position to fill the void created when a B-17 (No. 43-338436) piloted by 2nd Lt. Charles C. Webster went down in flames and exploded on the ground. "I was going into that void when we had a tremendous impact," Rojohn recalled. Feeling the bomber shudder, the men immediately thought their plane had collided with another aircraft. It had, but in a way that may never have happened before or since.

Another B-17 (No. 43-338457), piloted by 1st Lt. William G. MacNab and 2nd Lt. Nelson B. Vaughn, had risen upward. The top turret guns on MacNab's plane had pierced through the aluminum skin on the bottom of Rojohn's plane, binding the two huge planes together, as Leek said, like "breeding dragonflies." The two planes had become one.

Whether MacNab and Vaughn lost control of their plane because they were seriously injured or the planes collided because both Rojohn and MacNab were moving in to close the open space in the formation is uncertain. Both MacNab and Vaughn were fatally injured that day and were never able to tell their own story.


The 350th's Glenn H. Rojohn Crew


Staff Sergeant Edward L. Woodall, Jr., MacNab's ball-turret gunner, remembered that when a crew check was called just prior to the midair collision, everyone had reported in. "At the time of the impact," Woodall said, "we lost all power and intercom on our aircraft. I knew we were in trouble from the violent shaking of the aircraft, no power to operate the turret, loss of intercom, and seeing falling pieces of metal. My turret was stalled with the guns up at about 9 o'clock. This is where countless time drills covering emergency escape procedures from the turret paid off, as I automatically reached for the hand crank, disengaged the clutch and proceeded to crank the turret and guns to the down position so I could open the door and climb into the waist of the airplane. I could see that another aircraft was locked onto our aircraft and his ball turret jammed down inside our aircraft."

In the 1946 book The Story of the Century, John R. Nilsson reported that E.A. Porter, a pilot from Payton, Miss., who witnessed the midair collision, had sounded the warning over the radio: "'F for Fox, F for Fox, get it down!' -- however MacNab, whose radio was dead, did not hear. Not to see the collision which seemed inevitable, Porter turned his head, while two of his gunners, Don Houk of Appleton City, Missouri, and Clarence Griffin of Harrisburg, Illinois, watched aghast, as MacNab and Rojohn settled together 'as if they were lifted in place by a huge crane,' and many of the 100th's anguished fliers saw the two Fortresses cling -- Rojohn's, on top, riding pick-a-back on MacNab's, how held together being a mystery. A fire started on MacNab's ship, on which three propellers still whirled, and the two bombers squirmed, wheeled in the air, trying to break the death-lock."

Washington opened the escape hatch and "saw the B-17 hanging there with three engines churning and one feathered. Rojohn and Leek banked to the left and headed south toward land."



"Glenn's outboard prop bent into the nacelle of the lower plane's engine," recalled Leek. "Glenn gunned our engines two or three times to try to fly us off. It didn't work, but it was a good try. The outboard left engine was burning on the plane below. We feathered our propellers to keep down the fire and rang the bail-out bell."

"Our engines were still running and so were three on the bottom ship," Rojohn said. When he realized he could not detach his plane, Rojohn turned his engines off to try to avoid an explosion. He told Elkin and Tech. Sgt. Edward G. Neuhaus, the radio operator, to bail out of the tail, the only escape route left because all other hatches were blocked.

"The two planes would drop into a dive unless we pulled back on the controls all the time," wrote Leek. "Glenn pointed left and we turned the mess toward land. I felt Elkin touch my shoulder and waved him back through the bomb bay. We got over land and [bombardier Sergeant James R.] Shirley came up from below. I signalled to him to follow Elkin. Finally Bob Washington came up from the nose. He was just hanging on between our seats. Glenn waved him back with the others. We were dropping fast."

As he crawled up into the pilot's compartment before bailing out, Washington remembered, "I saw the two of them [Rojohn and Leek] holding the wheels against their stomachs and their feet propped against the instrument panel. They feathered our engines to avoid fire, I think. [Shirley] and I went on through the bomb bay and out the waist door, careful to drop straight down in order to miss the tail section of the other plane which was a little to the right of our tail." Because of Rojohn's and Leek's physical effort, Shirley, Elkin, Washington, Staff Sgt. Roy H. Little (the waist gunner), Staff Sgt. Francis R. Chase (the replacement tail gunner), and Neuhaus were able to reach the rear of the plane and bail out. "I could hear Russo [Staff Sgt. Joseph Russo, Rojohn's ball-turret gunner] saying his Hail Marys over the intercom," Leek said. "I could not help him, and I felt that I was somehow invading his right to be alone. I pulled off my helmet and noticed that we were at 15,000 feet. This was the hardest part of the ride for me."



Before they jumped, Little, Neuhaus and Elkin took the hand crank for the ball turret and tried to crank it up to free Russo. "It would not move," Elkin wrote. "There was no means of escape for this brave man."

"Awhile later," recalled Leek, "we were shot at by guns that made a round white puff like big dandelion seeds ready to be blown away. By now the fire was pouring over our left wing, and I wondered just what those German gunners thought we were up to and where we were going! Before long, .50-caliber shells began to blow at random in the plane below. I don't know if the last flak had started more or if the fire had spread, but it was hot down there!" As senior officer, Rojohn ordered Leek to join the crew members and jump, but his co-pilot refused. Leek knew Rojohn would not be able to maintain physical control of the two planes by himself and was certain the planes would be thrown into a death spiral before Rojohn could make it to the rear of the plane and escape. "I knew one man left in the wreck could not have survived, so I stayed to go along for the ride," Leek said.




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Birthdates which occurred on August 28:
0865 Rhazes [Abu Bakr Mohammed ibn Zakar˜ja al-Razi], Persian physician
1749 Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Frankfurt, social philosopher (Faust)
1774 Elizabeth Ann Bayley Seton 1st American Catholic saint
1828 Leo Tolstoi Russian writer (War & Peace, Anna Karenina)
1828 William Alexander Hammond Brig General (Union Army), died in 1900
1831 Lucy Ware Webb Hayes 1st lady
1878 George Hoyt Whipple US, astrophysicist (Nobel-1934)
1889 Charles Boyer France, actor (Algiers, Fanny, Barefoot in the Park)
1905 Sam Levene actor (Demon, Gung Ho)
1908 Roger Tory Peterson NY, ornithologist/writer (How to Know Birds)
1916 C Wright Mills sociologist, writer (The Power Elite)
1921 Nancy Kulp Penn, actress (Miss Hathaway Beverly Hillbillies)
1924 Peggy Ryan Long Beach Calif, actress (Jenny-Hawaii Five-0)
1930 Ben Gazzara NYC, actor (Run for Your Life, QB VII)
1943 David Soul Chicago, actor (Starsky & Hutch, Here Comes the Bride)
1943 Lou Pinella Yankee manager (1969 AL rookie of the year)
1946 Bob Beamon US, long jumper (Olympic-gold-1968)
1950 Ron Guidry Yankee pitcher (Cy Young 1978)
1951 Wayne Osmond Ogden Utah, singer (Osmond Brothers, Donnie & Marie)
1957 Daniel Stern Stamford Ct, actor (City Slickers, Wonder Years)
1958 Scott Hamilton Toledo, figure skating champion (Olympic-gold-1984)
1960 Leroy Chiao Milwaukee Wisc, astronaut
1968 Scarlet Annette Morgan Pfafftown NC, Miss NC-America-1991
1969 Jason Priestley Vancouver BC, actor (Brandon-Beverly Hills 90210)
1971 Janet Evans US swimmer (Olympics-1992)



Deaths which occurred on August 28:
0030 John the Baptist is Beheaded by order of King Herod
0388 Magnus Maximus, Spanish West Roman Emperor (383-88), executed
1481 Afonso V King of Portugal, dies
1654 Axel Gustafson Oxenstierna Swedish earl/chancellor/regent, dies at 71
1798 James Wilson Scot/US judge/signer (Decl of Ind), dies at 55
1818 Jean Baptiste Pointe du Sable trader, founder of Chicago, dies
1919 Louis Botha South African Boer leader, dies
1955 Emmett Till kidnapped & lynched at 14, in Money Mississippi
1961 Thomas Connolly 1st baseball umpire elected to hall of fame, dies
1964 Gracie Allen Mrs George Burns/comedian (Burns & Allen), dies at 62
1967 Charles Darrow, US inventor of Monopoly, dies
1967 Paul Muni (Muni Weisenfreund) actor, dies at 71
1968 Nick Castle choreographer (Dinah Shore, Judy Garland), dies at 58
1971 Margaret Bourke-White, US photographer, dies at 67
1971 Nathan Leopold, US kidnapper/murderer of Bobby Franks (1924)
1978 Bruce Catton, US historian/writer (Civil War), dies at 78
1985 Ruth Gordon actress, dies at 88 suffering a stroke in her sleep
1987 John Huston US/Irish actor/director (Maltese Falcon), dies at 81


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1962 SIMPSON ROBERT LEWIS PANAMA
1965 SCHIERMAN WESLEY D. ST. JOHN WA.
[02/12/73 RELEASED BY DRV INJURED, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1966 BABULA ROBERT L. INDIANA PA.
1966 BODENSCHATZ JOHN E. LOS ANGELES CA.
1966 BORTON ROBERT C. JR. BENTON HARBOR MI.
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1966 CARTER DENNIS R. LOMITA CA.
1967 DEGNAN JERRY L.
1967 WALLACE CHARLES FRANKLIN ELLISVILLE MS.
1968 MILLER ROBERT CHARLES HAYWARD CA.
1968 PHILLIPS ELBERT AUSTIN HUNTSVILLE AL.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


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1521 Turkish sultan Suleiman I's troops occupy Belgrade
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1609 Delaware Bay explored by Henry Hudson for the Netherlands
1655 New Amsterdam & Peter Stuyvesant bars Jews from military service
1776 Battle of Long Island
1789 Sir William Herschel discovers Saturn's moon Enceladus
1850 The opera "Lohengrin" is produced (Weimar)
1861 Battle of Fort Hatteras NC
1862 Battle of Thoroughfare Gap VA
1862 Belle Boyd (Confederate spy) released from Old Capital Prison in Washington, DC
1864 Democratic National Convention nominated General George B. McClellan
1867 US occupies Midway Islands in the Pacific
1878 Zulu King, King Cetshwayo, captured by the British
1884 1st known photograph of a tornado is made near Howard SD
1884 Mickey Welsh strikes-out 1st 9 men he faces
1907 United Parcel Service begins service, in Seattle
1914 3rd day of battle at Tannenberg: violent German/Russian battle
1916 Italy declares war against Germany during WW I
1917 10 suffragists arrested as they picket the White House
1922 WEAF in NYC airs 1st radio coml (Queensboro Realty-$100 for 10 mins)
1938 Northwestern U awards honorary degree to dummy Charlie McCarthy
1942 Gunther Hagg (Sweden) sets world record for 3,000m (8:01.2)
1949 Riot prevents Paul Robeson from singing near Peekskill NY
1955 1st NFL preseason sudden death football, Rams beats Giants 23-17
1957 Sen Thurmond begins 24-hr filibuster against civil rights bill
1960 White Sox Ted Kluzewski's 3-run HR is disallowed as ump called time
1962 Dr Geza DeKaplany tortures wife with acid
1963 Evergreen Point Floating Bridge connecting Seattle & Bellevue opens
1963 Martin Luther King Jr's "I have a dream speech" at Lincoln Memorial
1964 Race riot in Philadelphia
1968 Police & anti-war demonstrators clash at Chicago's Dem Natl Conven
1970 Phillies Larry Bowa steals home for 2nd time in 1970
1973 6.8 quake centered in Oaxaca State in Mexico kills 527
1974 Soyuz 15 returns to Earth
1977 NY Yankee Ron Guidry faces just 28 men & beats Texas Rangers 1-0
1978 Donald Vesco rode 21'-long Kawasaki motorcycle at 318.598 mph
1981 John Hinckley Jr pleads innocent in attempt to kill Pres Reagan
1981 Sebastian Coe of UK sets 1-mi record of 3:47.33 (since broken)
1981 National Centers for Disease Control announces high incidence of Pneumocystis & Kaposi's sarcoma in gay men
1983 Israeli PM Menachem Begin announces resignation
1983 Joseph Kreckman sets record of 2,215 clay pigeons shot in an hour
1986 US Navy officer Jerry A Whitworth sentenced to 365 years for spying
1988 70 killed in crash of 3 Italian AF fighters at air show in Germany
1990 Iraq declares Kuwait its 19th province
1992 Rep. Nicholas Mavroules, D-Mass., pleaded innocent to federal charges of racketeering, tax evasion and accepting bribes.
1994 1st Japanese gay pride parade
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1413 St. Andrew's University, in Scotland, was chartered by a papal decree from Gregory XII.
1645 In Poland, King Vladislav IV convened the Conference of Thorn. Through it he sought to bring reunion among the 26 Catholic, 28 Lutheran and 24 Calvinist theologians in attendance. Discussions continued through November, but no satisfying theological fusion was achieved.
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1953 Campus Crusade for Christ was incorporated in Los Angeles by founder Bill Bright. Today, CCC is an evangelical organization training Christian leaders in over 90 countries around the world.

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21 posted on 08/28/2004 7:09:15 AM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: alfa6

This thread prompted me to look for a book on Amazon..FYI..if your type "Flying Fortress" insearch there, you get related topics.."B-17" and "Passion of the Christ"..who knew?


22 posted on 08/28/2004 7:14:12 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; Samwise; PhilDragoo; Matthew Paul; All

Good morning everyone!!

23 posted on 08/28/2004 7:16:56 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: snippy_about_it; All
GM snippy!

hugs,duckie/sw

24 posted on 08/28/2004 7:22:08 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-gram.


Photo courtesy of the massive alfa6 files.

25 posted on 08/28/2004 7:26:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (An observed bumper sticker collage ~ Have You Hugged Your Gay Whales For Jesus Today?)
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning, PE!!


WOW great Flag-o-gram today!! Thank You.

Have a wonderful day with your family.


26 posted on 08/28/2004 7:29:57 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Professional Engineer; alfa6

Oh I love it! Wonderful flag-o-gram PE. Thanks alfa6 for sharing.


27 posted on 08/28/2004 7:57:46 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

That's the way a real hero talks and acts.


Did you know John Kerry was a hero also? It happened wheen he was on a super duper tippy top secret mission to Cambodia to drop off James Bond, when his swift boat collided with a B-52 on it's way to bomb Moscow (note: some reports say it was Ishpeming Mich.) and even though he was wounded (a 12in shell lodged in his forehead) he gallantly continued on with his suicidal mission (because heros do stuff like that all the time) dropping off James Bond,John Wayne and Joey Heatherton so they could do their super duper secret mission to save the world from alien invaders. Then leaping into the crippled B-53 and giving no thought for his own safety saved the crew of the crippled plane preforming emergency open heart surgery on the pilot and carrying them to his swiftboat. Once back on his swift boat and realizing it would be difficult to slip back across the border with a B-75 attached to his swift boat (although being a really bigtime hero kind of guy he knew if anyone could it was him) he flung the aircraft from his swift boat and snatching up his 92mm grenade launcher put 612 well placed rounds into the mangled B26 thus destroying it a preventing it's use by the enemy.




And that's the truth!


28 posted on 08/28/2004 7:59:01 AM PDT by Valin (It Could Be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC.


29 posted on 08/28/2004 8:05:13 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

I see you've had a laugh in your house.


30 posted on 08/28/2004 8:05:26 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (An observed bumper sticker collage ~ Have You Hugged Your Gay Whales For Jesus Today?)
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To: GailA

Good moring Gail.


31 posted on 08/28/2004 8:05:38 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: ken5050

LOL. Hey, that's what the KEYWORDS are for, to give you a clue. ;-)


32 posted on 08/28/2004 8:06:25 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: tomball

Good morning tomball.


33 posted on 08/28/2004 8:06:49 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Chieftain

Great picture!


34 posted on 08/28/2004 8:09:14 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (An observed bumper sticker collage ~ Have You Hugged Your Gay Whales For Jesus Today?)
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To: snippy_about_it

What's a "KEYWORD?"...LOL..BTW..read my #22...


35 posted on 08/28/2004 8:09:25 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: The Mayor

Good morning Mayor.


36 posted on 08/28/2004 8:09:27 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

Aren't you glad you finished your roof? Good morning alfa6.


37 posted on 08/28/2004 8:10:21 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Chieftain

"Shoot'em Self Kerry", LOL. Thanks Chieftain for posting this sign.


38 posted on 08/28/2004 8:12:20 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin

Good morning Valin.


39 posted on 08/28/2004 8:19:01 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I am not sure of the that term "massive" :-)

I have just about wrapped up the WWI and WWII folders, next stop the Aircraft Folder. I don't think I will be able to get all of the Aircraft Folder on 1 CD.

Will have some more pics for you in a day or two

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


40 posted on 08/28/2004 8:19:14 AM PDT by alfa6 (80 folders down, 280+ to go)
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