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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Bizarre B-17 Collision over the North Sea - August 28th, 2004
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Posted on 08/27/2004 11:40:31 PM PDT by snippy_about_it



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Bizarre B-17 Collision Over the North Sea




WWII


When a pair of B-17s collided in midair and became interlocked, the surviving crewmen experienced the ride of their lives.
By Teresa K. Flatley

At dawn on December 31, 1944, while the Battle of the Bulge raged, two young airmen took off from Thorpe Abbotts, England, and flew their Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress in formation with hundreds of others in what was to be a "maximum effort" over Germany by every available flier. That New Year's Eve would soon require the maximum effort these two men could muster to stay alive in what has to be considered one of the most unlikely incidents in aerial history.

It was the 22nd mission for 1st Lt. Glenn H. Rojohn, a native of Greenock, Pa., the pilot of B-17 No. 42-231987, and 2nd Lt. William G. Leek, Jr., from Washington state, his co-pilot. Both men had been scheduled for leave after flying several missions in a row. But their plans were interrupted at 4 a.m. that day when they were awakened for the so-called maximum effort, which meant, as Rojohn later explained, "Everyone flies." Thirty-seven heavy bombers took off with the 100th Bomb Group that day. Only 25 planes returned to England.


Thorpe Abbotts


Following breakfast and briefing at the base, home to members of the 100th Bomb Group from June 1943 to December 1945, Rojohn and Leek learned that their target would be Hamburg, a port city with numerous oil refineries and submarine pens. Second Lieutenant Robert Washington, the ship's navigator, recalled the start of that, his 27th, mission: "Takeoff on the morning of December 31, 1944, was delayed because of fog, and when we assembled the group and departed the coast of England, we learned that the fighter escort had been delayed due to the weather."

It took "almost as much time to rendezvous to go on a mission as it did to complete a mission," Rojohn recalled, "because the weather in England was always bad, and we had to circle around and around until we broke out above the overcast. Our squadrons [Rojohn flew in C Squadron] then formed, and we met other groups until we got into a long line of traffic heading toward Germany.



This particular day we flew over the North Sea to a point south of Denmark and then turned southwest down the Elbe River to Hamburg. We were somewhere in the neighborhood of 25,000 feet [altitude]. At that time I don't think much was known about the jet stream, but we had a tail wind of about 200 nautical miles an hour. We got into the target pretty quick. Over the target, we had just about everything but the kitchen sink thrown at us."

Leek's recollections of the Hamburg mission were equally vivid: "The target and the sky over it were black from miles away. The flak was brutal. We flew through flak clouds and aircraft parts for what seemed like an hour."

While Rojohn does not like to criticize his commanding officers, he thinks a mistake was made that day. "Instead of hitting the target and angling out over Germany still on a southwesterly direction and then out over Belgium, they turned us at 180 degrees back toward the North Sea," Rojohn said. "So an 80-knot tailwind became an 80-knot headwind. We were probably making about 50 or 60 mph on the ground."

"When we finally got clear of the coastal flak batteries," recalled Washington, "we turned west and skirted the flak area by flying between Heligoland and Wilhelmshaven. The flak was heavy as we crossed the coastline. I'm not certain whether we headed northwest between Bremerhaven and Kuxhaven, or due west over the little town of Aurich and across the coastline near Norden."



Over the North Sea, Rojohn remembered, they were flying at 22,000 feet when they "encountered wave after wave of German fighters. We just barely got out over the North Sea, and the sky was rumbling around us with exploding flak and German [Messerschmitt] Me-109 fighter planes so close I could see the faces of the young German pilots as they went by. They were just having a field day with our formation. We lost plane after plane."

According to an account written by Tech. Sgt. Orville E. Elkin, Rojohn's top turret gunner and engineer: "The fighters came from every direction, 12 o'clock, 6 o'clock, from the bottom and from the top. Your body becomes cold and numb from fright as you realize that only one-sixteenth of an inch of aluminum stands between you and this battery of firepower." Ten planes were quickly lost.

Leek had been at the controls when the crew came off the bomb run. He and Rojohn alternated the controls each half hour. "On this mission," Leek recalled, "the lead plane was off Glenn's wing, so he flew the bomb run. I should have kept the controls for at least my half-hour, but once the attack began, our formation tightened up and we started bouncing up and down. Our lead plane kept going out of sight for me. I may have been overcorrecting, but the planes all seemed to bounce at different times. I asked Glenn to take it, and he did."



Rojohn maneuvered to take a position to fill the void created when a B-17 (No. 43-338436) piloted by 2nd Lt. Charles C. Webster went down in flames and exploded on the ground. "I was going into that void when we had a tremendous impact," Rojohn recalled. Feeling the bomber shudder, the men immediately thought their plane had collided with another aircraft. It had, but in a way that may never have happened before or since.

Another B-17 (No. 43-338457), piloted by 1st Lt. William G. MacNab and 2nd Lt. Nelson B. Vaughn, had risen upward. The top turret guns on MacNab's plane had pierced through the aluminum skin on the bottom of Rojohn's plane, binding the two huge planes together, as Leek said, like "breeding dragonflies." The two planes had become one.

Whether MacNab and Vaughn lost control of their plane because they were seriously injured or the planes collided because both Rojohn and MacNab were moving in to close the open space in the formation is uncertain. Both MacNab and Vaughn were fatally injured that day and were never able to tell their own story.


The 350th's Glenn H. Rojohn Crew


Staff Sergeant Edward L. Woodall, Jr., MacNab's ball-turret gunner, remembered that when a crew check was called just prior to the midair collision, everyone had reported in. "At the time of the impact," Woodall said, "we lost all power and intercom on our aircraft. I knew we were in trouble from the violent shaking of the aircraft, no power to operate the turret, loss of intercom, and seeing falling pieces of metal. My turret was stalled with the guns up at about 9 o'clock. This is where countless time drills covering emergency escape procedures from the turret paid off, as I automatically reached for the hand crank, disengaged the clutch and proceeded to crank the turret and guns to the down position so I could open the door and climb into the waist of the airplane. I could see that another aircraft was locked onto our aircraft and his ball turret jammed down inside our aircraft."

In the 1946 book The Story of the Century, John R. Nilsson reported that E.A. Porter, a pilot from Payton, Miss., who witnessed the midair collision, had sounded the warning over the radio: "'F for Fox, F for Fox, get it down!' -- however MacNab, whose radio was dead, did not hear. Not to see the collision which seemed inevitable, Porter turned his head, while two of his gunners, Don Houk of Appleton City, Missouri, and Clarence Griffin of Harrisburg, Illinois, watched aghast, as MacNab and Rojohn settled together 'as if they were lifted in place by a huge crane,' and many of the 100th's anguished fliers saw the two Fortresses cling -- Rojohn's, on top, riding pick-a-back on MacNab's, how held together being a mystery. A fire started on MacNab's ship, on which three propellers still whirled, and the two bombers squirmed, wheeled in the air, trying to break the death-lock."

Washington opened the escape hatch and "saw the B-17 hanging there with three engines churning and one feathered. Rojohn and Leek banked to the left and headed south toward land."



"Glenn's outboard prop bent into the nacelle of the lower plane's engine," recalled Leek. "Glenn gunned our engines two or three times to try to fly us off. It didn't work, but it was a good try. The outboard left engine was burning on the plane below. We feathered our propellers to keep down the fire and rang the bail-out bell."

"Our engines were still running and so were three on the bottom ship," Rojohn said. When he realized he could not detach his plane, Rojohn turned his engines off to try to avoid an explosion. He told Elkin and Tech. Sgt. Edward G. Neuhaus, the radio operator, to bail out of the tail, the only escape route left because all other hatches were blocked.

"The two planes would drop into a dive unless we pulled back on the controls all the time," wrote Leek. "Glenn pointed left and we turned the mess toward land. I felt Elkin touch my shoulder and waved him back through the bomb bay. We got over land and [bombardier Sergeant James R.] Shirley came up from below. I signalled to him to follow Elkin. Finally Bob Washington came up from the nose. He was just hanging on between our seats. Glenn waved him back with the others. We were dropping fast."

As he crawled up into the pilot's compartment before bailing out, Washington remembered, "I saw the two of them [Rojohn and Leek] holding the wheels against their stomachs and their feet propped against the instrument panel. They feathered our engines to avoid fire, I think. [Shirley] and I went on through the bomb bay and out the waist door, careful to drop straight down in order to miss the tail section of the other plane which was a little to the right of our tail." Because of Rojohn's and Leek's physical effort, Shirley, Elkin, Washington, Staff Sgt. Roy H. Little (the waist gunner), Staff Sgt. Francis R. Chase (the replacement tail gunner), and Neuhaus were able to reach the rear of the plane and bail out. "I could hear Russo [Staff Sgt. Joseph Russo, Rojohn's ball-turret gunner] saying his Hail Marys over the intercom," Leek said. "I could not help him, and I felt that I was somehow invading his right to be alone. I pulled off my helmet and noticed that we were at 15,000 feet. This was the hardest part of the ride for me."



Before they jumped, Little, Neuhaus and Elkin took the hand crank for the ball turret and tried to crank it up to free Russo. "It would not move," Elkin wrote. "There was no means of escape for this brave man."

"Awhile later," recalled Leek, "we were shot at by guns that made a round white puff like big dandelion seeds ready to be blown away. By now the fire was pouring over our left wing, and I wondered just what those German gunners thought we were up to and where we were going! Before long, .50-caliber shells began to blow at random in the plane below. I don't know if the last flak had started more or if the fire had spread, but it was hot down there!" As senior officer, Rojohn ordered Leek to join the crew members and jump, but his co-pilot refused. Leek knew Rojohn would not be able to maintain physical control of the two planes by himself and was certain the planes would be thrown into a death spiral before Rojohn could make it to the rear of the plane and escape. "I knew one man left in the wreck could not have survived, so I stayed to go along for the ride," Leek said.




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To: Darksheare

Afternoon Darksheare.


101 posted on 08/28/2004 5:54:30 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: aomagrat

Afternoon aomagrat.

I could never get used to the secondary armament in those sponsons. Just looks too weird.


102 posted on 08/28/2004 5:55:41 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Afternoon Victoria. I see the rat demonstraters are already starting trouble, Could be an interesting convention.


103 posted on 08/28/2004 5:56:33 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: Light Speed

Afternoon Light Speed.

From what I 've heard you're better off renting a Stryker.


104 posted on 08/28/2004 5:58:11 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: SAMWolf
I see the rat demonstraters are already starting trouble,

Some people have nothing better to do than causing trouble. Come to think of it, isn't Kerry doing the same thing?

105 posted on 08/28/2004 6:18:41 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry: "YES, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed")
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To: snippy_about_it

Hi Snippy. :-)


106 posted on 08/28/2004 6:52:54 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry: "YES, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed")
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To: SAMWolf

Evening.
Been wandering about.


107 posted on 08/28/2004 7:19:24 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Liberals say: Join me and together we shall RUE the galaxy!)
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To: Professional Engineer

Howdy, PE!


108 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:38 PM PDT by Samwise (John Kerry is a pseudo-French elitist, ketchup-swigging gigolo, wannabe-hero, billionaire doofus.)
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To: SAMWolf
I've seen 3 Kerry signs in my neighborhood so far. I keep telling Snippy we should stick a "Betraying America since 1971" sticker on them.

I double-dog dare ya. :^)

109 posted on 08/28/2004 7:41:25 PM PDT by Samwise (John Kerry is a pseudo-French elitist, ketchup-swigging gigolo, wannabe-hero, billionaire doofus.)
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To: Light Speed

In 2000, I walked thru the same area. No way, no how, would I do that at night, or perhaps again. The Navy Yard was very cool however.


110 posted on 08/28/2004 8:36:00 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (A bumper sticker collage ~ Save Water Drink Nukes your Honor Student and DRIVE!)
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To: SAMWolf

ROFLMAO!!!!


111 posted on 08/28/2004 8:37:02 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (A bumper sticker collage ~ Save Water Drink Nukes your Honor Student and DRIVE!)
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To: Samwise

Greetings and salutations to you as well.


112 posted on 08/28/2004 8:38:10 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (A bumper sticker collage ~ Save Water Drink Nukes your Honor Student and DRIVE!)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; GeronL; quietolong; E.G.C.; GailA; ken5050; tomball; The Mayor; alfa6; ...
Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress Photo Walk Around

B-17 Walkaround


8th Air Force
Third Division
13th Combat Wing
100th Bomb Group

~~~

Having walked on the Mekong River, using surface tension and wide, flat sandals called "flipflops" by the natives, Shambo rested in the shade of the Tree of the Knowledge of Horsepower and Horsecrap, shading himself from the harsh moonshine Christmas Eve 1968, a day which will live in the Annals of Fake Warriors, a tall tale among tall tales, created by one of the few, the losers, the Hollow Men.

But Shambo knew the C'mere, Rouge would be along directly, checking i.d., separating the G.I. from his Hershey bars, so, silently, he shouldered his twin-.50 cal. aircooled, belt-fed killing machine he'd nicknamed "Scaramouche", and headed back toward his base to turn in his third Purple Heart request--he'd been wounded again: the wicked "flipflop thong blister" had caught him between the large and second toes. This malady was legend in these parts, the fearsome "two-step" as the victim could not take two steps without feeling the searing, searing pain. . . .

Shambo knew he had an appointment with Destiny: Destiny Binh, Communist spy waiting for him in Paris. Treason was dangerous, dirty work--but who was better equipped than he, Shambo, who lived the traitor code:


113 posted on 08/28/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Oh my gosh, this is hilarious!


114 posted on 08/28/2004 8:45:36 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: PhilDragoo
Having walked on the Mekong River, using surface tension and wide, flat sandals called "flipflops" by the natives, Shambo

ROFLOL. I've got tears on my cheeks!

115 posted on 08/28/2004 8:51:10 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (A bumper sticker collage ~ Save Water Drink Nukes your Honor Student and DRIVE!)
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To: SAMWolf
Hi Sam : )

2 Omaha class light cruisers were up in the Aleutians with the new cans of Desron 49.
USS Richmond ran the longest....she was part of the task group which saw USS Saltlake City's [Swayback Maru] famous gun duel with Japans crusiers.

Most of the new cans suffered damage from the heavy seas..yet the old plucky riveted Omaha's kept chuggin along.
neither fell out ....3 times Desron 49's cans went from Dutch Harbor thru heavy weather to attack the Naval airbases at Paramashiru ...on a map..this is a long trip.

Navy rolled in some big crusiers for some of the opps.

Japan had a crusier squadron for the north sector.
they never came out to fight.

the only near loss I think up that way..was USS Abner Read....who was lucky to survive a mine incident.
Abner Read was lost in Nov/44 off the Island of Leyte...a Val dropped a bomb down her stack,,then it suicided her.
Abner Read lost 22 men...remarkable..considering the internal explosions and the topside damage.

USS Richmond CL-9

116 posted on 08/28/2004 9:06:11 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Kerry isn't starting trouble, he's in trouble thanks to the Swifties. :-)


117 posted on 08/28/2004 9:59:31 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Did you take a tour aboard USS Barry?

side note....up on her forward section....just aft of the gun mount..is a bank of Mark 38 Torpedo tubes.
Guess USS Barry accidently discharged a torpedo into the deck house of the USS Decatuer(DD 936) moored alongside in Newport, Rhode Island in 1963 : )


118 posted on 08/28/2004 10:00:54 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Samwise; snippy_about_it

Hi Samwise.

Oh No!! A double-dog dare!! Only if Snipppy drives the getaway car.


119 posted on 08/28/2004 10:01:05 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

he'd been wounded again: the wicked "flipflop thong blister" had caught him between the large and second toes.

ROTFL with Snippy, who is trying to read over my shoulder. I bow to the Master, I am not worthy. :-)

Thanks for the Walk around links.

120 posted on 08/28/2004 10:04:34 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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