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The Free Market as Regulator [Ron Paul]
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 14th District ^ | 2009-08-17

Posted on 08/18/2009 12:39:43 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Since the bailouts last fall, lawmakers have been behaving as quasi-owners of the bailed-out banks and businesses, leading to calls for increased regulation of executive compensation and other wasteful expenditures. We have heard much about bonuses and executive pay packages that sound more like lottery winnings than an honest salary.

Many lawmakers voted in favor of these unconstitutional bailouts, believing that these corporations were too big to fail, and allowing them to go under would precipitate widespread economic disaster. This second wave of citizen outrage at the bailouts has left these lawmakers with a bit of egg on their face, and once again, they feel the need to "do something" to "fix" it. Shouldn't there be a regulatory structure in place governing executive compensation? Politically, it seems quite feasible. People are outraged that the system has once again gutted the many to make a few at the top fantastically wealthy. But they are incorrectly demonizing the free market.

What we need to realize is that there WAS a regulatory structure in place that was attempting to stop bad management, including overpaying executives. That regulatory structure is the free market, and when poor management brought these companies to the point of bankruptcy, Congress circumvented the wisdom of the free market, and inserted its own judgment at our expense. And now because of that intervention, we will be burdened with massive new regulations. We can be certain this effort will fail.

The free market is a naturally occurring phenomenon that can't be eliminated by governments, not even totalitarian ones like the former Soviet Union. It can be regulated, over-taxed and manipulated until it is driven underground. Lately it has been wrongly accused of doing so many things it just doesn't do, that are really the fault of crony corporatism and convoluted government policies that brought on the crisis. Too many people equate the free market with big business doing whatever it wants, but that is not the free market. Unconstitutional taxpayer funded bailouts are what allow giant corporations to run roughshod over the economy. The free market is what puts them out of business when they misbehave.

The free market is you and your neighbors working hard to produce what you produce, and exchanging goods and services voluntarily, in mutually agreeable arrangements. The free market is about respecting property rights and contracts. It is not about building up oligarchs and monopolies and confiscatory tax theft - these are creatures of government.

We must watch out when government comes up with interventionist solutions to interventionist problems. The root of our problems lie in interventionism. Trusting the free market is the solution.


TOPICS: Candidates; Issues
KEYWORDS: 111th; bailout; economy; freemarkets; justsayno2socialism; libertarian; lping; realconservatives; ronpaul; stimulus; tarp
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1 posted on 08/18/2009 12:39:43 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 08/18/2009 12:40:58 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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Ron Paul gets it. Jim DeMint gets it. Sarah Palin gets it. Who else is out there?


3 posted on 08/18/2009 12:42:45 PM PDT by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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4 posted on 08/18/2009 12:44:02 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: villagerjoel; calcowgirl

Michele Bachmann is pretty good.

Tom McClintock too, if I recall correctly.

Bill Redpath here in Virginia is top-notch.

Oh, wait, he’s a Libertarian who was attacked for being too cozy with Ron Paul’s folks and Republicans of a more libertarian persuasion.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 12:47:01 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is a democracy where voters evaluate the economic system based on how they are doing. If the ‘free market’ does not produce current jobs and prosperity, something else gets a chance. Only success is rewarded at election time, majority wins.


6 posted on 08/18/2009 12:56:26 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: rabscuttle385
Lately it has been wrongly accused of doing so many things it just doesn't do, that are really the fault of crony corporatism and convoluted government policies that brought on the crisis.

Uh, RuPaul, try and let some reality mix with your views. AIG was a direct result of Phil Gramm getting credit default swaps EXEMPTED from regulation - freeswinging selling of such derivatives with NO oversight.

The GOP and the Dems both had the wrong approaches over the last decade, and their respective failings (lack of regulation in many areas as pushed by the GOP, and Dem fiascos such as Fannie/Freddie) both played a role in the meltdown. We cannot go back to the old partisan model regarding the role of government, because both sides failed. It should be clear that the government should NOT be involved with the operation of markets (Fannie/Freddie) but DOES need to act as a regulator and referee (credit default swaps, regulating ratings agencies, enforcing basic reserve levels). This country needs to learn from past mistakes, seeing how expensive they have become. RuPaul is still failing to do such - hardly a surprise, seeing how he clings to an 18th-century viewpoint on foreign affairs.

7 posted on 08/18/2009 12:56:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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So who’s for a free market in crack, heroin, and marijuana?

Thought so.


8 posted on 08/18/2009 1:03:57 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Milton Friedman.

That’ a moral argument, not an economic one.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 1:08:51 PM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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10 posted on 08/18/2009 1:52:09 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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11 posted on 08/18/2009 2:39:36 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Wolfie
So who’s for a free market in crack, heroin, and marijuana?

Thought so.

LOL. Black markets are the closest thing to a truly free market that we have in this country.

12 posted on 08/18/2009 4:38:02 PM PDT by getsoutalive
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To: djsherin

BTTT


13 posted on 08/18/2009 6:09:17 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: dirtboy
AIG was a direct result of Phil Gramm getting credit default swaps EXEMPTED from regulation - freeswinging selling of such derivatives with NO oversight.

The market's freeswinging correction should have followed, instead of the government's bailout.

14 posted on 08/18/2009 6:09:21 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: dirtboy

...Yea, yer lame aurgument always comes back to the fact that he voted against an un-constitutional war against Iraq...


15 posted on 08/18/2009 6:51:13 PM PDT by gargoyle (...My thoughts are not seditious, or treasonous, they're revolutionary...)
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To: dirtboy

“hardly a surprise, seeing how he clings to an 18th-century viewpoint on foreign affairs. “

Seems proper to me, since it was in the 18th century the US declared independence from a foreign nation. Right on Ron Paul. Maybe dirtboy is an acronym for dumber than dirt?


16 posted on 08/18/2009 9:50:57 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: dirtboy; rabscuttle385; gargoyle

So more regulation is the answer eh? I doubt that.


17 posted on 08/19/2009 1:11:07 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: secretagent
The market's freeswinging correction should have followed, instead of the government's bailout.

Except a lack of adequate regulation and reserve requirements would have led to a complete financial collapse. That's the point - basic regulations would have prevented a lot of the mayhem in the first place.

18 posted on 08/19/2009 4:29:41 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: gargoyle
Unconstitutional war in Iraq? Last I checked, it was authorized by Congress, which was a de facto declaration of war - it was not a unitary move by the Executive.

Another Paultard with a warped notion of the Constitution. Some wild shrimp? It's really delish wrapped in Paul's pork.

19 posted on 08/19/2009 4:31:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: takenoprisoner

Maybe takenoprisoner is as stupid and hypocritical as his hero Ron Paul?


20 posted on 08/19/2009 4:32:26 AM PDT by dirtboy
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