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Fed Backers Scared by Ron Paul's Audit Bill
The New American ^ | 2009-07-15 | John F. McManus

Posted on 07/16/2009 5:05:40 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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If the Fed isn't doing anything wrong, then it should have nothing to hide.
1 posted on 07/16/2009 5:05:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 07/16/2009 5:05:58 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

A full and complete audit on behalf of the American people is LONG OVERDUE. Do it. Go Paul. Keep at it.


3 posted on 07/16/2009 5:07:43 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: rabscuttle385

http://dailybail.com/home/there-are-no-words-to-describe-the-following-part-ii.html


4 posted on 07/16/2009 5:08:08 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: rabscuttle385

this one will disappear into a Committee, unless enough hell is raised to get enough signatures on a discharge petition


5 posted on 07/16/2009 5:18:08 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: rabscuttle385

Oh gosh. What could they possibly be afraid of?

Wait a second. Isn’t it common knowledge on the FR that Ron Raul is insane? Shouldn’t we be against this then? I get so confused sometimes /s


6 posted on 07/16/2009 5:19:27 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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Why would anyone think Ron Paul is insane? Only those who do not uphold the Constitution would think that. Out of ALL congress members only one rates voting 100% Constitutionally, and that’s Ron Paul.


7 posted on 07/16/2009 5:28:26 PM PDT by Freddd (Government run health care=paying more and being denied what we already have.)
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If our nation would revert to gold, silver, or some other valuable commodity as money, there would be no need for management.

This is true, but there simply isn't enough gold to back our currency. Perhaps a basket of commodities could be used, but I would envision many problems with this. It would be good to see a move away from fiat currency, if someone can come up with a reasonable way to do it.

8 posted on 07/16/2009 5:41:33 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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bump


9 posted on 07/16/2009 6:03:58 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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Ping


10 posted on 07/16/2009 6:07:56 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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***This is true, but there simply isn’t enough gold to back our currency.***

I find this logic very interesting. How is there not enough gold?


11 posted on 07/16/2009 6:12:19 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Keep banging on that door. Sooner or later, someone will be forced to answer.


12 posted on 07/16/2009 6:20:12 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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This is true, but there simply isn't enough gold to back our currency.
Raise the price of gold to cover the currency. As with any commodity, people would be AMAZED at how much would suddenly appear when it was properly valued. With today's technology, gold mining companies are profitably mining ore that measures four decimals to the ton.
Of course gold-backed currency, even if non-convertible, would be an anathema to the printing press folks because of the Draconian discipline it would exert, not to mention the govt's loss of power. Fully convertible currency like we had pre-1933 is right out, for it would allow people to go "Gault's Gulch" any time the govt. got out of hand - turn in your paper currency (basically a warehouse receipt) and reclaim your gold - the hard-core way to "starve the beast".

It would be good to see a move away from fiat currency, if someone can come up with a reasonable way to do it.
Nothing short of the above would work. No matter how noble the initial goal, human (as in political) nature would win out.

13 posted on 07/16/2009 6:24:57 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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I find this logic very interesting. How is there not enough gold?

The total money supply of the United States exceeds the total amount of gold bullion, in the entire world. The total money supply of the world, far exceeds the supply of gold bullion.

In theory, it might be possible to back all money by using a number of different commodities, though this would be complex. It might also be possible to effectively back all money while only having hard backing for a percentage of it, though I'm not sure how this would work.

Still, eliminating fiat currency is a worthwhile goal, if anyone can figure out how to do it.

14 posted on 07/16/2009 7:15:39 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Freddd

Because he was against the Iraq War. Didn’t you see all the freepers who called him insane and traitor?


15 posted on 07/16/2009 7:40:52 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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Why would anyone think Ron Paul is insane?

Only those who do not uphold the Constitution would think that.

16 posted on 07/16/2009 8:03:38 PM PDT by Nephi ( Support Fascism: Buy GE, GM and Chrysler products! You already buy gasoline.)
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***The total money supply of the United States exceeds the total amount of gold bullion, in the entire world.***

At the arbitrary exchange rate of $42/oz of gold. The solution is then to set the exchange ratio at a number that will have the dollar fully backed by gold. For instance, (using random numbers) if there are 1 million ounces of gold and $5 billion, then the exchange ratio becomes $5000/oz of gold. From that point on, the total amount of dollars (electronic, paper, whatever) could not exceed the amount of gold backing them. In essence the dollar becomes a weight of gold, just as it once was (although originally it was a weight of silver).

***In theory, it might be possible to back all money by using a number of different commodities, though this would be complex.***

Are you familiar with bimetallism? When an exchange ratio is set between 2 commodities which necessarily have fluctuating values based on their supply and demand, one tends to become overvalued and the other undervalued. The overvalued commodity will drive out the undervalued one from use. The same logic applies to a “basket” of commodities, so I’m not sure why a number of different commodities would work in theory.

***It might also be possible to effectively back all money while only having hard backing for a percentage of it, though I’m not sure how this would work.***

So let’s say the dollar is 25% backed by gold at an exchange rate of $100/oz of gold (again purely random numbers). Why not just back the dollar 100% by gold by changing the exchange rate to $400/oz of gold? In theory the first system could work, but it defeats the purpose of having a gold standard, since there are bills unbacked by metal.

My personal opinion is that the market should choose what money is. As an initial step, the government should accept in payment whatever historically has been chosen as money, or in other words, what the market has already selected. At this point in time, that would probably be gold, silver, and perhaps other commodities such as oil, food, etc.


17 posted on 07/16/2009 8:05:02 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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How come Mr. Transparency (Barry) hasn’t signed on with his support for an audit?

Maybe this is the reason.

“It is well enough that the people of this nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

Henry Ford


18 posted on 07/17/2009 4:38:20 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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19 posted on 07/17/2009 7:54:42 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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>***This is true, but there simply isn’t enough gold to back our currency.***

I find this logic very interesting. How is there not enough gold?<

remember at one time all currency was “payable on demand to the bearer” there were gold certificates, then silver, payable in the commodity. Until at one point inflation took over and that was no longer applicable.
Our currency became Dependant on a bunch of things “for our stability”

what happened was that they printed so much cash that the equal amount on demand of that commodity was so minute that it wasn’t good to show americans how much their dollars were actually worth.


20 posted on 07/17/2009 8:42:10 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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